Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Legal Action to seek fresh EGM

Last Sunday, the Deacons made an announcement in all the Church services regarding a legal suit taken by seven (7) members against the Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG), the members of the previous Board of Deacons (BOD) and the Assemblies of God (AOG) Malaysia. The Deacons also announced that the Church has engaged lawyer KK Wong’s firm to represent PG and the previous BOD who are named as Defendants.

The announcement caught many by surprise and caused much confusion among the members and worshippers including PG supporters and TTG supporters.

Having obtained all the facts of the matter, CT now wishes to report as follows:

1. An Originating Summons (OS) was filed on 12 November at the High Court of Kuala Lumpur by seven (7) concerned members, namely Wong Hong Meng, Robert Ng, Teng Luen Foong, Lim Siew Chyuan, KC Lim, Liza Low and Joseph Gerard (Plaintiffs).

2. The OS filed by the Plaintiffs was a class action representing a class of members of Calvary Church. CT understands that a big group of members has recently signed the authorization and support for this cause of action to be taken.

3. The defendants named in the OS are PG, Deacons Phillip Tan, Edward Rajasingam, Patrick Wong, Han Joke Kwang, Stephen Liu and Bernadette Foo, and the AOG Malaysia (Defendants).

4. The OS is filed against the abovenamed Defendants and NOT against Calvary Church. This is also in line with what lawyer KK Wong had said at our 15 August 2008, EGM last year that the Church, being an unincorporated entity, cannot sue or be sued but the Pastors and Deacons can sue or be sued in their personal capacity.

5. The OS does not seek any monetary compensation or damages from the Defendants or the Church.

6. The purpose of the OS is to seek the Court’s ruling for the following:-

i. that the AGM held on 19th and 20th June 2009 be declared null and void;

ii. that the committee members appointed during the AGM held on 19th and 20th June.2009 be annulled and be declared void;

iii. that the Defendants convene an EGM within 30days from the date of the Court Order for the tabling of the resolutions which had been submitted by the Plaintiffs;

iv. that the removal of Dr. Lum Siew Heng as a member of Calvary Church on 20th March 2009 be annulled and to be declared void.

7. The OS has since been extracted from Court and served on all the Defendants personally with the exception of two ex-Deacons, who have been served by way of registered Postlaju, when efforts to effect personally service on them were unsuccessful.

8. The OS has been fixed for mention in Court on 17th December 2009.

The seven (7) plaintiffs have informed CT that they had earlier planned to hold a press conference to make public this legal action. However, after taking into consideration that this course of action was NOT against the Church but rather, it was an action to seek a higher authority’s interpretation of our Church Constitution, the Plaintiffs decided to keep a low lid on this matter.

As the members are fully aware, our BOD had, time and again, in the past, interpreted various sections of our Constitution, according to their whims and fancies, thereby denying the members their very basic fundamental right to have their say and ignoring the spirit behind the original intention of the Constitution. The Constitution is very clear that the members at a General Meeting have full powers of administration but as can be seen at the last AGM, the members' powers under the Constitution have been totally obliterated.

The action to seek legal redress by the group of concerned members was not unexpected, considering the fact that they have exhausted every possible means of resolving the many issues engulfing Calvary Church. From attempts at direct consultations with PG, the Deacons and also the Pastors right from the onset 2 years ago, up to seeking the intervention of the AOG Malaysia, all their efforts have failed. Even the recent mediation efforts by a high profile businessman-member together with the General Superintendent of AOG Malaysia (in his personal capacity) failed as PG backed out after agreeing to the date fixed for the meeting.

As the supreme overseeing body in Malaysia, the AOG council has failed miserably in this whole episode. In replies to letters from members seeking their intervention, they have admitted that some funds were transferred from WAGRA to CIM (personal ministry of PG) and they have also admitted that there was misrepresentation in the original registration of CIM with NECF but, sadly, no action has been taken against PG. Like Pilate during Jesus’ trial, the AOG Malaysia has replied that the current saga is an internal matter for the Calvary Church to resolve and they will not intervene.

If the AOG Malaysia as the ultimate governing body, refuses to intervene, can anyone fault the concerned members to look to the judicial system of the country to hear their plea?

The Bible is clear that as Christians, we are to obey and submit to the laws of the land. That was what Paul did when he submitted himself to the Roman law during his last days. And that is exactly what the concerned members have now done.

As mentioned earlier, the Church has appointed lawyer KK Wong's firm to represent and defend PG and the previous BOD in this matter. Since it is clear that the legal action taken by the Plantiffs is against PG and the previous BOD personally, CT hopes that PG and the current BOD will not commit further wrong by using Church funds to pay KK Wong's firm.


63 comments:

no, it is not right said...

what right does Prince Guneratnam and the deacons have to use church funds to defend themselves??? use their own money!!

EQUALIZER said...

To all Ex-Calvary, its equally important for you to take part in this signatory campaign and for the restoration of this damaged Church. Do not shy away from that D-Day when all are asked to descend and take back the running of a church with the fear of God. Don't repeat the same mistake as I did, must have a team Ready to Take Over. Current signatories to write cheques, having authority to do things are the same manipulative Tan Sri team. Lawyers from TTG need to start drafting and obtained an interim order to Freeze EVERY form of disbursement of monies after the signatory campaign. I repeat get ready, an interim order to be lodge after the signatory campaign has completed. I am not in "playground mood". In many ways I am also challenging the TTG team to play serious. Lodging police report is sometimes useless in Malaysia. PDRM works in the same way as the AOG council, Council of Churches, NECF or Calvary BOD. My experience have taught me that the Churches and those that sit in the so called "Judgement Review Committee" are a bunch of @#$%^&* You see they all have some favours to return, yet they make it as Blur and innocent to the problem. Perhaps my type of christianity is different from yours. I get spiritual food, even from attending the same Church of the Pastors I dislike. How is this?? Well I can read the bible, as the Pastor continue their Crap!! Tan Sri, BOD, SP all playing the same game for centuries. Rid the Church of their detractors and enemies and strenghten themselves with their own. Its a free world today and my style is to be a "PRICK" to these Evil Doers. In fact I URGE all Calvarites and Ex-calvary church members to attend Calvary Church, If the Pastor talk their "Rubbish", stage a mass walkout. Imagine the look of their face when 100s walks out. When you do this for 3-6 months, you can demoralise these Evil doers.

Some among you will say, how can you do this in the "House of God"., Not on Sabbath...etc. This is where I need to "whack" all you current christian and ex-Calvary people to decide if current Calvary Church is a House of God or House Full of Money Changer?? Going back to Jesus' time did Jesus go in and worship first in the Sanctuary or did he just turn things upside down first? Of course many of you are afraid of walk out because of manners, afraid to be looked at negatively in the "House of God", spritual fear, sudden switch to Fruit of the Spirit moral obligation...etc. All I can say is that walking out is the same as ALL who left Calvary Church for other churches. Have an information counter to explain the actions taken, like signatory campaign, walk out, interim order…etc! This game will end when you have details of how much spent on the building is known. Once Interim Order lodge, bring it on any Lawyer Tan Sri consult.(With research you can lodge at a court that Sri have no say, otherwise one day we get him for perverting the course of justice) To ALL those that keeps saying "leave it to the Lord", you might as well RE-Write the Bible....might as well re-write Joshua after crossing into the promise land, Joshua told those Giants there, "excuse me, I am meant to inherit this land according to God’s Will, please leave PEACEFULLY & Gracefully"? Perhaps Jesus should have asked those money changes,"excuse me, I want to worship in God's temple, please leave PEACEFULLY & Gracefully" because I don't want to be seen violent when I turn those table upside down. Just because there is judgement, we better NOT do anything...just go and hide yourself like the one talent guy. Here we are dealing with the lost One talent and potential NEGATIVE Talent. HOW MUCH HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THE PROJECT Todate?" $25, 50, 80, Million Rgt? I eagerly await your feedback on this cost matter…Anybody??..to be continue

No More God's Presence n Glory in CC said...

PG and BOD are fleecing CC members and worshippers to cover their own sins. PG and BOD are being brought to court to answer for their own wrong doings and unjust acts but why are they so daring to use church funds to cover their own sins?

These wayward leaders have no right to use the church funds to save their own skins! They should use their own monies to defray the legal costs. Church funds are collected for specific purposes and not to cover PG, pastors and BOD's unrighteous deeds.

In the first place if they are Christlike these matters shouldn't have arisen and as they had already happened then, these leaders should repent and step down immediately. Why was there the need for the legal action to take place and consequently why do PG and BOD need to "seek out a well known lawyer to defend them"?

Isn't it because they were all unrighteous and irresponsible and dragged CC down the road of deception and shame...and further wasting all the monies which were meant for God's kingdom work.

There is no more fear of God in CC and God's voice is no longer heard in Calvary Church. Jesus' Name is no longer magnified in CC only PG's name is important and the SP and BOD's faces have to be safe guarded. CC leadership has missed out on being kingdom minded instead CC leadership is now so engrossed to build the shell and core CCC at all expense.. it is all about the magnificent rainbow building BUT the presence of God and God's glory has already left Calvary Church.

The saddest part of it all is that because of their own sins and refusal to repent for the last two years PG, pastors and BOD are not even aware that God's presence and glory has already left CC!

Use Your Own Monies not CC's said...

PG and BOD have no right whatsoever to use Calvary Church funds to pay the lawyers to defend them as individuals for their personal wrongdoings.

PG and BOD should use their own personal monies to defray the legal costs. CC funds are collected for the work of God's kingdom.

PG and BOD are sued for their wrong doings and unjust acts, so they should be personally made liable for the legal costs.

It is ethically and morally wrong to use Church funds to pay for these individuals' legal costs to defend themselves, when they have acted against the interests of members, of whom they are meant to safeguard in the first place.

You go, TTG! said...

Dear TTG,

You are always in my prayers. I pray to God to order every step that you take as He uses you mightily to restore this house of His. I know that what you are doing is in keeping with God's righteousness, as it can be a thankless task.

All glory to God!

When Will It End? said...

A simple question for all - if the Court dismiss the suit, will the Plantiffs accept the decision or will another allegation be made that somehow the church leadership managed to "influence" the Court? Or will the Plantiffs only accept a decision in their favour and nothing else.

Anonymous said...

Legal action must have been the last resort for TTG.

Sad that it has to come to this.

God is in it all and God will not be shamed. God will make the righteous stronger.

God is around when:

a. HIS WORD and VOICE is preached and heard not man's empty words and false preachings.

b. Righteousness is present in the church.

c. When Jesus Christ alone is magnified NOT the senior Pastor.

d. Life of ordinary members and families are transformed by the right doings of the church NOT wrong manipulation by the PG.

e. When society/community where the Church is present are taken care off especially, the poor, orphaned, widowed and marginalized, NOT when senior Pastors and elders get to get Tan Sri, Dato titles!

I can add more but check if these are present in Calvary today!

Albert.

MORE OFFERING PLEASE? said...

& MORE OFFERING said...
$$$ DOWN THE DRAIN!

"the church has engaged a well known lawyer to defend them"

This is yet ANOTHER WRONGFUL use of CC's members offering to Cover-up PG & BOD!

They have been using money from CC's coffer for all useless purposes as a result of all their own Blunders/covetousness :
-Architect & Consultants fees for all the 3 failed CCC
Plans since Hartamas time,
-Top Lawyers fee for their "Opinions" for issues
such as the contentious vote from Congregation
"Vote" for CCC,
-Transfer of approx. RM2 MILLION to CIM, PG's
lavish Lifestyle in the disguise of 'missions' travel
- More Consultant Fees for CIM's hanky-panky
- More $$$ for the Stop Work of CCC for BIG TIME LEGAL CASE with Main Contractor!

ALL the monies of CC are spent on to cover their sinful acts !!!

May GOD have mercy on His people to stop PG & BOD from plundering the Church any further.

December 8, 2009 2:48 PM (re-posted)

For the truth said...

To When will it end?,

It will only end when you can show the Biblical reference to indicate when it is ok to use Church funds for personal benefits and when it is ok to override the will of the members in order to satisfy the desires of a few (PG and BOD). Otherwise, the TTG group should persist our endeavour to establish truth to the end, and I am fully behind the TTG. Bravo and God Bless!

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

THE SWORD & THE TROWEL (Neh 4:16-18)

The TTG has done all it can to address the present issues at Calvary but unfortunately, NOBODY wants to lift a finger to help them. The AOG could have intervened but alas it appears to have the characteristics of a toothless tiger! Once the present episode is over and new leadership in place, the 'New' Calvary Church should be the first church to get out of the AOG!

Will taking legal action rob God of His glory? - NO!. In fact on the contrary it tells God there are a bunch of people in Calvary Church who are willing to stick their neck out for God - just like Peter who dared to walk on water. He did not accept the status quo and so should we. God notices such people. These are the people He can use to enlarge His tent!

Don't let sentimental pastors and those who have a pacifist personality tell you such legal action is wrong. Read the book of Nehemiah Chapter 4. Check out verses 16-18: The sword and the trowel.

"So it was, from that time on, that half of my servants worked at construction, while the other half held the spears, the shields, the bows, and wore armor; and the leaders were behind all the house of Judah. Those who built on the wall, and those who carried burdens, loaded themselves so that with one hand they worked at construction, and with the other held a weapon. Every one of the builders had his sword girded at his side as he built. And the one who sounded the trumpet was beside me".

So that with one hand they worked at construction, and with the other held a weapon: Some of the servants did the work of defending and some did the work of building. The workers had a sword at their side and a trowel in their hands to get the work done. The kingdom of God is built with both a sword and a trowel, a sword to come against every spiritual force of wickedness in high places, and trowel to do the work of building up the people of God.

So does Calvary Church! We need the prayer worriers, the intercessors, the caregivers, the comforters and the legal eagles!

Norman Grubb often challenged Christians 'to corner God' - that is, make a nuisance of ourselves for a worthy course. We may not have all the answers and some may not even be "biblically sound" - but our heart is after God. Only that matters and the Lord will provide all the resources of Heaven to fight the battle. So go on making a nuisance of yourselves and see the Lord fight for us!

I sincerely believe that to bring about a speedily outcome, the Lord will personally intervene so that the fear of the Lord will become a watch word in Malaysia.

I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE LORD EVICT THE PRESENT LEADERSHIP IN CALVARY - PERHAPS EVEN BEFORE THE COURT OR THE EGM ANSWERS! THIS WILL SEND A NUCLEAR BOMB SHOCK WAVE IN MALAYSIA. (This is my intercession)

We should NOT fear to rebuke in public rogue Christian leaders. Watch how David Wilkerson rebuked the "Lord's anointed" Hear his Holy Anger against rogue leaders. I hope this video will also answer the question "What is a True Church?" some have been asking.

TRUE CHURCH BY DAVID WILKERSON:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OvGgkb5MjQ

Vijay

NOTE: Some of you have asked where to find the perfect church! Let me be the first to say "THERE IS NO PERFECT CHURCH!" until we met in heaven!. However, we all can learn from godly ministers like David Wilkerson.

LET GOD ARISE... said...

and HIS ENEMIES BE DEFEATED

WHY THE NEED TO DEFEND?

It's so clear, all concerned members are pressing for is their LEGITIMATE RIGHT to table Resolutions in CC's AGM.

So,by going to the lengths "to defend" themselves showed PG & those BOD are worse than Heresies.
In fact all they really need to do is have the RESOLUTIONS to BE TABLED as allowed in the church Constitution! BUT they Will Not-- because PG is POWER & $$$ crazy, and BOD have crossed the line with him for too long to be able to take the consequences of accountability.

Speaking of being arrogant, prideful, proud and fighting nail & tooth over TTG CAUSE, which they of all people should be the first to uphold!, they instead continue to ABUSE & MISUSE all the church resources: Time, Money & Staff to save their own skin!

The time has come for ALL who stands by God's teaching & values to stop the ROT in CC under PG, BOD & ASS. PAS.

Friend of Calvary said...

A note of support to TTG from Friend of Calvary - Keep up the good work

A Servant of Christ Jesus said...

To PG/Deacons/AG Council,

Judgement has come upon the house of the Lord. It is clear that God has allowed for this day so that others may see your wrong doing not to shame the house of God but to put things into perspective of who's in charge so that it becomes a warning sign to all pastors of all churches to be cautious with what belongs to God. You have been given so many opportunities to set things right and come down from your human thrones of arrogance. Yet you fail to demonstrate humility, understanding and love towards the sheep. You think what you did has baseless order for legal pursuit. You are given chance and chance again to repent and set the house in the right order. Yet you disobeyed. There is a price to pay for disobedience. Truly you must act with love, forgiveness, and repentance. Remember what God has called you into service for Him and not for yourselves. If you have indeed been called to serve Him, then serve His sheep and bring the house to order. Else, you will suffer the consequences of your pride.

Don't Commit Further Wrongs... said...

I agree fully with what "A Servant of Jesus Christ" said. The time will come when God's grace period for the defiant SP, pastors and Deacons of CC to repent and make restitution for their wrongs, would have passed by and His judgment will descend upon them.

No one is shielded from the wrath of God...each one is accountable before God for his/her wrongs.

PG and deacons better to humble yourselves before God and men and so why go to defend yourselves at the expense of Church funds? You are wasting time and resources for saving your own skins!

NEVERTHELESS the end will surely come!TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL SURELY PREVAIL!

Kelvin T.L. Lim said...

Dear Old Time Member & ABC,

Ps. Kelvin Lim here. To Old Time Member, thank you for remembering me and I do appreciate your reply. My only concern is that we allow ourselves to be clouded by the series of the whole event and miss-out on what our Lord Jesus has instore for us... thus being preoccpied by the follies of poor (& bad) leadership and that our common adversary the devil has come to steal, kill & destory (John 10: 10). I urge and encourage all of us to be vigilant and spiritually on-guard (ever more at these days) as the devil will be all means and ways seek to shame and destory His kingdom through the lives of selfish leadership and people alike. I wish I was physically back in KL to bring spiritual support, encouraging and advocating 'Truth, Transparency & Godly Governance'... and to minister healing. I will continue to stand in the gap in much prayer.

To ABC... thank you too for your reply. Please do read my reply to Old Time Member... that is my concern.

Blessed ya both.

3Rs... Real, Realistic & Relevant!
Kelvin T.L. Lim

AG Malaysia failed us said...

Shame on you AOG malaysia! Shame on you! How could you people sleep at night knowing that all these could have been prevented. AOG reps at the recent AGM, shame on you. You were there at our AGM and could have changed things but you chose to fear man. You are responsible for this mess just as much as PG is!

hookwinked again said...

At the 10:30am service on Sunday, Deacon Edward made the announcement, the visual mentioned something like asking Calvarites to refrain from making comments which may be "contempt of court". I wonder what this means! Calvarites cannot even talk about the legal suit! Immediately PG jumped up and started to quote Bible verses from the pulpit. Then SK continued and said "maintain CC as a lighthouse church". No doubt PG and SK were talking religiously, it is actually a subtle way to gag Calvarites and also to prevent Calvarites from discussing the issue with people who are not aware or not following the TTG's saga which will ultimately touch on the debacle of CCC during the discussion. They do not walk the talk, need I say more?

SK is a master in his choice of words when he talks. Many times when he was giving messages from the pulpit, those in the church laughed out loud. However upon reflection, one will realize that his words have an underlining meaning. When I mentioned this to my spouse and other Calvarites, they agreed with me. Putting his thoughts and messages in a subtle but with meaningful is SK's forte.

It is a blatant abuse of power if CC had appointed a lawyer to defend PG and BOD using CC's funds. The Church's monies are for work for God. As had occurred many occasions in the past, the Church will still carry on with what they want to do without any considerations for members' opinions or advice. They will always say "the power to do what they want is invested in them as the BOD in the Constitution regardless of your opinion".

Btw, in the Nov/Dec 09 issue of CalvaryNews, "CCC Work Being Done Off-site" by Audrey Kum on page 9, I quote "Many of us do not realise that while the Calvary Convention Centre (CCC) is being contructed on-site in Bukit Jalil, off-site fabrication of materials is being done concurrently". Anyone reading this will be under the impression that work is still on at the site but in truth work had stopped in April 09. Next question, is the steel fabrication work still on or stopped? Is the work part of the contract under Nam Fatt or an independent scope of work? Again no one seems to know except PG and BOD. When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn to let us have the truth and clear picture of the going-ons in relation to CCC. No information of the progressive costs (ie money spent to-date) but only asking for money, more money and more money!!!
Ask any architect, quantity surveyor or consultant. And they will answer you that in any project, there will be progress reports and cost to-date. Simply put, when you purchase a house from a developer, the architect has to verify the progress of the construction before the developer can ask for progress payment until such time when the bank takes over to finance you with a loan.

ARSENAL said...

Machinery of CC at PG's disposal.

Well, as in politics--the INCUMBENT always has the
upper hand, so it is with PG as CC's CEO! He has already, to borrow his phrase used over the pulpit on the concerned members- "Mobilised & Demonised those he has control over to protect his power Base in CC.

BUT, slowly & surely PG's 'Base' is crumbing before his eyes day by day, hour by hour , minute by minute..to be shaken and exploded as never seen or heard before in this Land that it will serve as a reminder to all and sundries-- God will not be mocked.

NO WAY?! said...

Would anyone who is SWOLLEN HEADED, HARDENED HEART, THICKEN SKIN, SELF-CENTERED, GLORY SEEKING, SHAMELESS ever step down on his own?

"NO WAY!" ( says he!)

There you have it--all these qualities wrapped-up in PG, CEO of CC.

Well, put PG on NOTICE-- remember the song: 'GOD will make a WAY, where there seems to be no way'.

DON"T EVEN BLINK said...

IN CASE the CC's Congregation still did not realise,
please contrast & compare:

PG & BOD acted so very, very SWIFTLY to put the names of the Plaintiffs on Big Screen and broadcasted them over all the Services ( how disgusting! turning the Pulpit to do their 'ceramah')

Ever wonder WHY, they did not do the same for the CCC FIASCO--by putting the names of the Building Project Committees, the QS, Chief Architect, Main Con. who all have a part in the 'horror of horrors'--a multi-million failure,which its entire procedures were shrouded with controversies from day 1?

Jim Guneratnam (PG JR.) was appointed Administrator/Project Director of CCC , will there be a statement from him?

Why no EGM called to brief the Members of the dire consequences?

Why wouldn't, they engage TOP investigative consulting firm like Price Waterhouse to do a Forensic Audit, just like the PKFTZ case, to get to the bottom of the squandered millions--and napped the Culprits ( though it's really obvious!)?

Now Ask :" Can such be God fearing 'servants' of God, or outright manipulative beings of the world?

Those with any iota of sense left in them, ought to
stand-up to stop PG& BOD from going about the church business-- ride rough shot over the Members, & MISUSE the tears, blood & sweat monies of those who give so sacrificially over the Decades!

IN BLACK & WHITE said...

UNBELIEVABLE--KK WONG, Defendant Lawyer?

Can anyone go to KK Wong and show him the FABRICATED Minutes in CC Annual Report 2008 which was attributed to what he had said at the EGM (re CIM) and the taped recording in his own voice, to confirm which is the TRUE version, please?

Better still, if KK Wong can issue an official Statement to clear the air.

Anonymous said...

Whilst I don't know the specifics of the case, I do know that any lawyer who may potentially be a witness cannot act as lawyer in the suit. Hence, if KK Wong's testimony on what he actually said (as evidenced by audio recording) as opposed to the fabricated minutes is at all relevant to the case, the Plaintiffs can apply for KK Wong not to act as counsel in the case.

Anonymous said...

I am not a Calvarite and have been following the saga as it unfolds. Regardless of who is right or wrong, it does not serve the cause of Christ to have the whole conflict given this kind of publicity. My two sen worth of advice : get a couple of respected Christian leaders outside the AOG circle, who know PG personally and who is concerned about what is happening that is hurting the church of Christ, to mediate before the whole thing is brought into public display in the court case. If you want me to suggest the names of these leaders, let me know.

GO YE... said...

ALL OUT for ACCOUNTABILITY

Concerned members of TTG CAUSE did the RIGHT thing-- to get the Court interpretation of the powers of Board in CC Constitution, which PG& BOD ABUSE to commit all the spiritual crimes.

However, in the meantime, the Congregation please do not overlook the SERIOUSNESS of the CCC debacle. PG & BOD has not disclose any information not WHO, WHAT , WHY, WHEN on the many UNANSWERED questions concerning the mismanagement of the Mega Project. For examples:

I. the Financial Implications. (How much $unk- in
are the Bungalows Sold, or mortgage to the Banks, etc?

2. The Viability to continue? Funds have dried-up.


3. For all the RM150 Million to date--ONLY the Sanctuary is "planned' to be finished, NOT the ENTIRE project. All other "beautiful' world class facilities including the EDUCATION Blocks are SHELVED!!!

4.the CONTINUOUS SHIFTING of completion
deadline-- as of their latest 'pluck from the thin
air' timeline given by assoc Pas. Steven Kum, it's
in 2011. A delay of 3YEARS!
And so, LEADING the Congregation and Public ON & on & on with deceptive and manipulated
information continues

5. The big legal battle with the Main Contractor--
at WHAT COST?

And so, PG, PG2, BOD & all Assoc Pas are all BUSY with negotiations--left, right & centre, 'CERAMAHS' with their Followers to keep them under their lid,
Briefing the Lawyers , SPINNING half-truths and smear campaigns with PR Advisors...and STUMBLING the many saved & unsaved souls as they go about doing PG's private kingdom work.

Can anyone with a Clear Conscience, let alone God's Righteousness, allow such ABSOLUTE DISREGARD for Accountability by PG & BOD?

Oswald Chambers said...

THE OFFENCE OF THE NATURAL


"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
Galatians 5:24

The natural life is not sinful;
we must be apostatized from sin, have nothing to do with sin in any shape or form.
Sin belongs to hell and the devil; I, as a child of God, belong to heaven and God.
It is not a question of giving up sin,
but of giving up my right to myself,
my natural independence and self-assertiveness,
and this is where the battle has to be fought.

It is the things that are right and noble and good from the natural stand point that keep us back from God's best.

To discern that natural virtues antagonize surrender to God, is to bring our soul into the centre of its greatest battle.
Very few of us debate with the sordid and evil and wrong,
but we do debate with the good.
It is the good that hates the best,
and the higher up you get in the scale of the natural virtues,
the more intense is the opposition to Jesus Christ.
"They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh" - it is going to cost the natural in you everything, not something.

Jesus said - "If any man will be My disciple, let him deny himself," i.e., his right to himself, and a man has to realize Who Jesus Christ is before he will do it.

Beware of refusing to go to the funeral of your own independence.

The natural life is not spiritual, and it can only be made spiritual by sacrifice.
If we do not resolutely sacrifice the natural, the supernatural can never become natural in us.
There is no royal road there; each of us has it entirely in his own hands.

It is not a question of praying, but of performing.

Please make certain facts said...

Please COMFIRM that the lawyer that the church engaged is in fact being paid with CHURCH FUNS before such an allegation is MADE!!!

The lawsuit is against the deacons of the church and it is my understanding that it is being done pro BONO by kk wong..

Once again, please ascertain your facts before any of you accuse the deacons of using church money to hire a lawyer on their INDIVIDUAL behalves!!

Either Black or White said...

It's time for the Senior Pastor and the entire Board of Deacons to resign unconditionally.

The problems in this church have been allowed to drag too long. With all Christian approaches and mediations failed for one reason or another and with this legal suit ongoing, the leadership shall honorably take responsibility and resign en bloc.

If they believe in 1 Cor 6:9 and the fact that having a legal suit is 'already defeated', so these leaders should live by the scripture and resign. There are no 2 ways about it. It's either black or white; pregnant or not pregnant. No such things as grey or half-pregnant.

Still a mystery said...

Dear Equalizer,

No body here can answer you how much has already spent on ccc. Nobody knows. We Calvarites only know how to give our money all these years but we never know how to ask questions. Now we want to know and ask, no pastor or deacon want to answer us.

So friend, no body here really can answer how Much paid? How much cah in hand? How much more money needed? What stage of completion? Stop work or abandoned? all these is a mystery.

Hold on a minute.. said...

Anonymous of December 10, 2009 7:02 AM.

Please read through the past postings. That would help you grasp the background and make informed advice. Anyway, who would you recommend to mediate?

Where's Fear of God? said...

Anonymous of December 10, 2009 7.02am

If it is so simple a matter to be mediated then we won't have reached this stage.

You have to start getting all the facts from day 1 of this whole saga... it is not that we don't want a mediation to take place it is because PG, pastors and BOD refused to even sit down and sincerely talk over the issues.

PG, pastors and BOD have been superficial and avoiding the issues, hiding behind the Constitution and outrightly bull-dozing their way in AGMs and EGMs, further twisting and lying about everything to suit their own agenda.

There is absolutely no fear of God but only fear one person, PG! How to treat them as believers anymore? Even non-believers don't behave as they do...there is no more conscience even!

Anonymous said...

M.Ling (previously concerned christian)

Hi CT,
On 26 Nov 09, I quoted that a mighty man of God said

` There is no greater condemnation in this world than the pursuit of gains through godliness'

Today I would like to share what another man of God says when he shared on the subject `Jesus Clears Out The Merchants From the Temple. He said that Jesus knew the mindset and character of those selling and exchanging money were far from pure and honorable. They were out to LINE their own pocket, to ROB the people, to CHEAT them, to simply do a business and to take advantage of the pure heart of the people coming to worship God at the temple and to fulfill the law of God as given to Israel through Moses

Jesus could see that those merchants were making the VERY House of God into something that it was never intended to become - a merchant market place for PROFIT...... There are times we MUST get very upset at sin and wrong doing. This is one of those times for Jesus...... Also HE raised His voice to exclaim to those thieving and wrong minded merchant `take these things away, you shall not make My Father house into a house of merchandise and business.

Do you see any resemblance here and No Greater Condemnation and the building of CCC. To me they are all the same except of the difference in the scale and direction of the deceits. At least in the O.T, the exchange of monies and the sale of animals are in accordance with the Law of God for the purpose of offerings in the right currency and animal sacrifices.

What have you got to say, PG for what you have done in the present days. Do not EVER FORGET that God is not MOCKED. Resign NOW you and your BOD and pray that there is yet redemption for you and your merry men.

Dr BERNADETTE FOO said...

Baseless allegations already investigated


Reference is made to Crisis rocks Calvary Church in the Nov 18 publication of StarMetro.

We would like to state that the allegations raised in the article had been presented by the board of deacons and deliberated at length by the members of Calvary Church at the EGMs on Aug 15, 2008, and April 4, 2009, as well as at the AGM on June 19, 2009.

The allegations have been investigated thoroughly by the church’s internal auditors, a renowned firm of investigative accountants and a firm of advocates and solicitors specialising in criminal practice, and these allegations have been found to be baseless.

Dr BERNADETTE FOO
Church Secretary
On behalf of the Board of Deacons
Calvary Church

Classic Crisis said...


Please make certain facts said...

"Please COMFIRM that the lawyer that the church engaged is in fact being paid with CHURCH FUNS before such an allegation is MADE!!!"
Agree and agree.

"The lawsuit is against the deacons of the church and it is my understanding that it is being done pro BONO by kk wong."
As a privileged few, would you agree that the church could dispel doubt by making known (announcement) that the church shall not fund these individuals but others can do so in their private capacity?

It's There said...

Dear Equalizer and Still a mystery,

You both are not informed. If you read back one of the previous issue of CalvaryConnect, you can see the figures there. It was stated how much more we need to complete it. Of course, by now, with Nam Fatt in trouble and being unable to deliver, the figures might have change a little by now.

Check it out, then your kind assistance in informing us would be greatly appreciated. Because I do not have the issue with me at the moment, I can't give the figure here. But would appreciate your help to clear the air.

IN THE LIGHT said...

BERNADETTE FOO: the most pitiful of BOD

How sad, in spite of Overwhelming facts place before their eyes, and the outpouring cries of concerned members, she still could bury her conscience and do the unthinkable: to SUPPRESS TRUTH.

TRUTH is, *Concerned Members who had to write in officially to ask for the both the Reports were told they could only do so, if they would NOT DIVULGE what they read in the Reports to anyone!
(* which they refuse to compromise--Bravo to them)
Is this what PG & BOD "Cannot Divulge" called "Transparency "???

In the first place, one should ask:
WHY are the Reports NOT made available to the Members VOLUNTARILY?

Why must written request be made, and worst, why should there be any CONDITION attached?

Why on earth is it so "secretive" if indeed, PRof Bernadette FOO /BOD said that the findings by these Consultant & KK Wong cleared them of wrong doings?
--this of course, is extremely doubtful because the Consultant did mentioned that there were "weaknesses" in the process of approval and other "shortcomings" in the transfer of monies between the departments and CIM( these remarks certainly are alarming, but were skillfully brushed aside or rather conveniently ignored by the BOD)

*"DECLASSIFIED" the REPORTS
Surely, since Bernadette Foo has made this official statement in her letter to The STAR, can she then please RELEASE the REPORTS to CT so that everyone can read and decide for themselves the Truth of the matter.
*( it's a shame that they used Church funds to pay for the Consultant Service for CIM which is PG's Personal "ministry", yet they keep the Reports to only between themselves (BOD & PG) as if they are Classified information!)

PG & BOD have much to hide---and that's why they RESIST Concerned Member' call for Transparency & Accountability.

PG & BOD's detestable actions speaks themselves.
Therefore. it is foolish of anyone to still think they should not be exposed openly for their hanky-panky!

GOD Forbid.

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

I still read/hear murmurs about going to court. Biblically, Christian disputes should be settled within the walls of the Church or the governing body of the denomination. However, in the case of Calvary Church, the dispute is with the leadership of the church.

Concerned members did try to resolve the issue at the EGM and also appealed to the AOG for intervention. BUT IT FAILED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. Under these circumstances, there is justification to take the issue to Court. (There are many articles in the blog to support this view).

If you are still not satisfied, let your conscious decide. Please watch the short video clip I have compiled on Wilberforce. In his days, the majority of the Christians did not consider the Slave Trade as morally wrong and sinful. God raised Wilberforce to take the issue not to court (as no court could help him) ... but to PARLIAMENT!

What if Wilberforce did not debate the matter in Parliament? Let your spirit discern!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXSbKdEsAWg

Vijay

We are not Fools said...

To Dr Bernadette Foo, CC Church Seretary Dec 11,

How could the allegation be BASELESS when it actually happened and recorded in the books of accounts and it is PAID from church fund which is the hard earned money of the members. Being a professor in english you should know the definition of "baseless" which is "having no basis or foundation in fact". Whatever that was written in the Star newspaper and brought up by CT are all FACTS (actually spent from church fund and recorded).

Where is your God-fearing sense of discernment? Why fear a man (SP)? SP used everyone to be his spokesman but he himself refused to stand before the members of the church to denied all the allegations if he think it is. Why? That is because he doesn't want to feel guilty of the sin of lying bacause he actually took the hard earned money of his "sheeps" for his own purpose and for the furtherance of his own kingdom not God's.

To all the pastors under the payroll of SP, do not fear losing your job just because you stand up (like Dr Lum) for the wrong doing of SP because God will take care of your needs if you fear God and not man.

Good of God Sense/ 'Tub Dabar' said...

The Church Secretary and Board of Deacons are still sticking to their lies by publishing the statement in Star Metro... baseless allegations? REALLY?

NEVERTHELESS we all know for a fact what have taken place. Sad to say they are still saying black is white and shade of grey! CC members are not dumb or blind!

Deep in BF's heart and those of some deacons they know things are not right but of now, they have no courage to stand up for the truth!

If they honestly and sincerely come before God and seek Him as like before they were involved in BOD days... and let "the good of God sense" or the "tub dabar" deep in their hearts come forth and allow the still small voice of God speak to them then perhaps good will come out. We appeal to them that they don't stifle the "good of God sense" in them.

We earnestly pray that BF and deacons will be strong and courageous, yield to God... stand up for truth and don't lie anymore!

God is always gracious and will not give up on us unless we ourselves give up. So BF and deacons let the good of God sense move in your hearts...
Let good come forth...

living in denial said...

yes, i find it ridiculous that the deacons are still using that phrase 'baseless allegations'. i think they are living in a world of denial. by saying those allegations are baseless, do they mean they are denying that church funds were used to pay for PG's gym membership, for PG's children's overseas education, for PG's granddaughter's airfare to US etc etc amongst many other things? I thought all this was found to be true at the AGM/EGM. seriously, do these deacons think that the public are a group of kids to believe their lies?

For the Truth said...

To Dr Bernadette Foo and ‘We are not fools’,

I feel that there is some confusion or wrong perception of what is implied by the terms ‘allegations’ and ‘baseless’, and I will try to throw some light.

The BOD and Dr Foo must understand that when an allegation is made, there are 2 parts to it. The first part is – did it happen? And the second part is – if it happened, is the action justified or legally correct? Now, let’s take the example of PG’s children being given scholarships by the BOD on behalf of CC many years ago. Correct me if I am wrong, but this was not a listed benefit in the Handbook and was done without the knowledge or approval of the members. Okay, I do not think the BOD will deny that this happened, after all the Church Auditors had in one of the EGM, in not so many words, acknowledged that it did take place. Therefore there should be no dispute on the first part of the allegation, that is, the children were actually given scholarships. The question in dispute is only the second part of the allegation, that is, whether there is justitification for it. Here lies the difference in opinion, in other words the crux of the matter. The BOD stands firm that the action is justified and legally correct based on some reason or other, and that is why they continuously insist that this allegation, along with the rest of the allegations, are ‘baseless’. Not that it they did not happen, but that there is justification for each of the incident and that they are legally correct actions. However, TTG group and many concern members do not agree.

I hope that this clarifies a little so that from here on we can discuss productively, and not bark up different trees. For the record, I am firmly in line with the views of the TTG group.

A word of advice to the BOD, do not fear if the Pastors have threatened to resign en-bloc in the event that PG resigns. I am sure, when time comes, God will convict some of them to remain. At worst case scenario, ‘God will make a way’ and will raise men to do His will. Take heart and do the right thing.

Be Realistic said...

Sorry you can say all you want to SP and the BOD here in this blog. The comments would have no effect on them as they do not read the blog. Even if some Assoc. pastors or deacons do go in - they would not dare reveal that they did. They had been warned not to read the blog.

It could be a waste of time telling them this and that.

Deacons Have Changed.. said...

DR BERNADETTE FOO....so actsy these days. She used to be a very humble and nice godly lady but we noticed she has changed an awful lot, not for better but for worst since she joined CC Board of Deacons.

We don't understand why ...but one would think that with spiritual maturity and years of Christian service,that Dr Bernadette Foo would become more gracious, godly and righteous but in her case and that of the other CC deacons they have turned out so arrogant and abrassive hardly a semblance of who they were before they became deacons.

So sad indeed...It is time for Dr Bernadette Foo and all the deacons to seriously examine themselves and ask what has gone wrong? Why are you still telling lies to CC members and worshippers and now announcing to the whole world?

What dominant spirit has invaded into their lives and taken over the God fearing spirit in them?

Where is the fear of God in them?

ENLIGHTENMENT said...

to: "For the Truth" comments.

Yes, you explained correctly. Precisely, the BOD ignored the fact that all the wrong doings did take place--because as we all now know, scholarships, the withholding of designated funds, transfer of Money to CIM, etc all did happen. And ALL of these items were done at PG's absolute DISCRETION and Directives.

What the BOD like Prof Bernadette Foo insist is that they are all oK because they have "approved" all of them, even though they have admitted the approval were all given AFTER the fact (retrospectively)--by way of RATIFICATION--an ESCAPE route they used so well to "Justify" the wrongs!

So, let's hope none of us will be hook winked by their shameful stand to maintain all is above board when they are not.

The truth remains that the BOD & Missions Director PETER ONG are all party to the spiritual crimes committed, including the assoc pastors who CHOOSE to stand with UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

CCC = Calvary Confidence Crisis said...

Hi Equalizer,

For your answer of how much has been spent on CCC, go to the CC website at:-
http://www.calvary.org.my/Pdf/CalvaryConnect/CConnect-004-Web.pdf

you will find that there is a balance needed of RM 122m vs a project cost of RM 150m (which excludes the land cost of RM 35m) as shared by the church in the Sep 09 publication of Calvary Connect. (NB This publication came into being after the 15 Aug 08 EGM when the BOD realised that they have "diconnected" themselves from the congregation; actually the BOD is still very disconnected to say that all allegations are baseless when the church auditors have confirmed them).

It goes on to say that CC has loans & cash available of RM 55m, with an expected church funds surplus of RM 26m so they only need RM 41m over the next 2 years.

OVERBOILED said...

ACTUALLY, IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THIS:

WHERE IN THE CC CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS
MEMBERS CANNOT TABLE RESOLUTIONS AT AGM?

PG & BOD have wickedly denied the RIGHTS of the MEMBERS of the Church.

They are actually trying their darnest best to SILENCE the voices of the Members who demand for Transparency & Accountability from them who had been found out!

They are tied to the KING PIN of deception& Lies whose web they have entered and can never break-free.

Discernment Needed said...

Thanks " For the Truth"! Concise explanation on the difference in the perception of the allegations between SP/BOD and TTG. I stand on the side of TTG too.

SP/BOD will obviously put their side of the perception of the allegations as their version of 'truth' I trust that CC members and public will discern wisely.

Just look at the current state of CCC. Does SP/BOD take effort to communicate the DETAILS of the crisis to CC members and public who had given to this project in a timely manner ? They acted with impunity with financial resources placed in their hands. So beware of history repeating itself.

Perhaps therein lies the the crux of this crisis between TTG and SP/BOD

Not For Carnal Pastors said...

Dear TTG


I’m pleased to see that TTG has initiated a lawsuit not just against the senior pastor of Calvary church and its BOD but ALSO the Assemblies of God Malaysia. Let me elucidate why I mentioned the Assemblies of God:

I was a former Calvarite and I left for an independent church. This independent church actually did help me and my family to grow tremendously in my ministries and as an individual. Unfortunately, this church was later dissolved due to abuse of power, deception and mismanagement of finances (to name a few) by its senior pastor. When I decided to relocate to an independent church, I was told by friends that it's better to belong to a church that has a national or international covering such as that of Assemblies of God as there's accountability and oversight.

So, based on this belief, I subsequently left this dissolved independent church and attended an AOG church headed by the present gen-superintendent of AOG Malaysia. Frankly and sadly, after a few years in this AOG church, I have observed the surfacing of similar traits and symptoms as that of the leadership in Calvary Church and the past independent church. This gen-superintendent of AOG Malaysia/senior pastor of his church often exhibited a temerity and tendency to use the pulpit to criticize his fellow members and including ministers he met elsewhere who were deemed by him to be wayward or not aligned to his liking. It’s not difficult to not notice that these criticisms often exuded a tone of self-righteousness and certainly did not reflect the spirit of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Why do we go to church? Pastors should know that for one reason, amongst others, is that we get the chance to learn from and imitate our spiritual leaders of the church viz the senior pastor and associate pastors. While we do not seek a perfect church and ministers of God, but we do look up to essential exemplary attitudes, decorum and even acts of heroism of these ordained ministers of the church. These, regretfully, are found wanting. As like begets like, and a little leaven leavens the whole bread, this gen-superintendent/senior pastor’s arrogant spirit and manner of pastoring his church, has influenced his immediate pastoral ministers. It’s evident in the way they relate with people. Research will tell you that when there is a dominant personality in a group, his decisions and subtle views can control and influence the overall thinking of the group, disregarding any objectionable member in the group. While it may seem far-fetched, we should not easily forget Jim Jones and the massacre of his followers.

So, it comes as no surprise to me as to observe the passive and apathetic stance taken by the Assemblies of God regarding the Calvary Church debacle. So, what's the difference between finding oneself in an independent church and one that's under a certain covering?

I came out of all these experiences with carnal pastors a little wiser, and I learned one essential truth:
a) Don’t believe your pastors – as gifted and well-meaning as they are – 100%

b) Ensure your walk with the Lord is always closer than with anyone.

I hope that your time in court with the Assemblies of God will bear far-reaching results in the manner we conduct and monitor church affairs in our country.

Trusting GOD.

To Him be the Glory !!! said...

Hi "Not For Carnal Pastors",

Looks like we can only trust God & NOT man, even man of God.

The BOD has been told countless times by TTG & others that they should fear God & NOT Man, even man of God. Sad to say, the words have just gone in through one ear & out through the other ear. For the words to come out so quickly from their ears, I wonder whether the BOD has anything between their ears.

PG has always declared that CC is a fountain-head church. Perhaps, through this court case, CC will be a fountain-head church for "justice where justice has been denied in church & for Truth, Transparency & Good Godly Governance (TTG) in church".

To Him be the Glory !!!

Got Discernment said...

To "Discernment Needed",

Wah! Lama tada jumpa lah! Mana u dah pergi?

Let me be the 1st Calvarite to welcome you to the Truth, Transparency & Good Governance (TTG) side of CC.

I remember u for having "hammered" the TTG crew in the past when you didn't have the right & proper discernment (thus accounting for your moniker). It's OK to be like Saul but now you are a Paul.

I pray that you will forgive me for my harsh words of the past when I was exasperated by your lack of discernment.

Anyway, I am glad that you must have probably asked God for wisdom (& discernment) in this CC saga & our God has given you such discernment that you now can see the Truth for what it is as the scales have dropped off from your eyes (as Paul's did on the road to Damascus).

I am sure that heaven rejoices today that there is one more discerning Calvarite who has been won over from the "dumb" sheep who are still blindly loyal to PG, just like the BOD & the APs.

Radical Thinking said...

Indeed it is a sad state of affairs as pointed out by 'Not for Carnal Pastors'. Not too long ago I also came across a remark by someone that "Well since you are attending an AOG church then you have to accept the way things are run. You subjected yourself this type of church leadership so why complain? If you are not happy then you should leave and worship somewhere else!"

When I heard that I was shocked, I expressed the view that if matters are not run according to Biblical standards we can't endorse such forms of leadership, we must speak out even when it means we will be branded as rebels or being called ungrateful sheep. If everyone were just to walk out and leave them to their own behaviour then how are we to be the salt and light of the world? Won't we be like the world and just live within our comfort zone?

Just go to church and pretend all is well, when it seems difficult to tell the truth or speak up.... just be passive or walk away and go somewhere else to be comfortable to just worship and don't stir up things.

NO, if we are really true disciples of the Lord Jesus we have to have radical thinking and be prepared to take up the cross and follow Jesus..
even when it means that when we stand up for truth, transperancy, righteousness and justice we are rejected and persecuted by CC leadership.

I thank God for raising up the TTG group in His own way and timing.. surely there is a reason for matters to come this far. If it is not God's providence for TTG group to be raised the group would have long been disbanded and TTG won't have come so far..

God will take care of all matters.. He is sovereign and in full control!

GOD IS SEATED ON HIS THRONE!

Laughable said...

DUTY BOUND? IF ONLY!

It makes me sick read the Announcement posted on the church's Notice Board: " The Board of Deacons is DUTY BOUND to inform you that the following members of the Church...have commenced a legal action in the Kuala Lumpur High Court against..."

Why does the BOD only feel "DUTY BOUND" in this instance to inform the congregation about the suit, and not ALL the others MISDEEDS committed by PG and themselves?

Don't they think they were DUTY BOUND to inform the CCC debacle?

Don't they think they are DUTY BOUND to inform the failure of CALARY LAND?

Don't they think they were DUTY BOUND to inform the closure of Calvary Kindergarten?

Don't they think they were DUTY BOUND to inform the transfer of MISSIONS Money to CIM, PG's personal ministry?

Don't they think they were DUTY BOUND to inform the unconstitutional removal of Dr.Lum's membership?

Don't they think they were DUTY BOUND to inform of the Gifts of CAR,etc,etc to PG &PG2 & all those self-initiated privileges for himself & his family?

Don't they think they are DUTY BOUND to be answerable and be accountable to the MEMBERS of the church for their actions and the disrepute PG brought to the church?

I had wish this of NEW BOD would know better!
What a tragedy they not only did not learn from the
mistakes of the previous BOD, but allow themselves to walk into the ABYESS of deceit and lies perpetuated by PG.

Discernment Needed said...

Sorry to disappoint - the "Discernment Needed" earlier is NOT the original Discernment Needed. And by the way, the moniker is not meant for myself per se but rather also as a reminder to those who are blogging here to exercise discernment.

Crossing the Rubicon said...

Dear Calvarites & Concerned Worshippers

I see so much similarity in the present CC debacle with the Singapore NKF in 2005. Remembers justice begins in the house of God. The CEO of NKF was jailed and the Board was also implicated and some of the board members were also prosecuted. Following that the Spore government instituted a number of policies to regulate NGOs and charitable organisations.

Repent while there is still time dear pastors of CC.

Let's pray for healing, restoration and justice to purge all unrighteousness in the church.

Anonymous said...

May God's Truth prevail over major issues affecting Calvary Church, Calvary Convention Centre, Calvaryland and other related matters. May the Calvary congregation, the visitors and the general public be made very wary of the lies, falsehood and very unChristian behavior and speeches repeatedly exhibited the the SP, other pastors, and the BOD. Not forgettting certain members of the AOG leadership. May there arise a Great Revival for Truth in Malaysian churches, starting with CC!

Anonymous said...

Bernadette Foo, do you remember when you took up the office of a Deacon in Calvary that you had swore allegiance to uphold the truth in the Holy Presence of Jesus Christ, our Lord of Lords and King of Kings ?

It was also done as a public declaration, in front of the Calvary Church congregation, right ? Or have you conveniently forgotten all these facts ? Where are your priorities, since we are emphasising so much about priorities these days ? Or are your loyalties for a mere mortal man, his family members and crony pastors ?

Asking for Love Offerings from the suffering congregation for a person who is reportedly a multi millionaire, who wons an allegedly extensively renovated Bangsar bungalow worth RM4-6 million, a fancy brand new top range Volvo, with an enormous bank account, with the supreme uncontested power to tap unlimited monetary gains from CC accounts, who unilaterally reward his immediate family members (firmly entrenched in the church leadership hierarchy with undeclared yearly bonuses (on top of the stated two months salaries) and annual salary increment, who can afford enriching Jacky Chan via his exclusive Fitness Centre - is this your idea of a sick joke ?

There are anytime a lot more deserving noble causes that we as Christian willingly donate or contribute to eg orphanages, single mothers homes, old folks homes - definitely not a multi millionaire and his family.

GiGi said...

TT&G is dealing with a cunning pastor who is master in manipulation and exploitation. You see, when PG steal from the church, these are fact but never announce in church, but when the 7 concerns member sue him, the church announce the names of the 7 in church in public. Why?

PG's strategic is keep quiet with his sins, pretend innocent while taking every opportunities to paint a bad image of TT&G to the public. He uses other pastors to do the dirty works for him.

GiGi said...

We are living in a critical moment that set a point in history. Please pray for the concern members. If TT&G able by God's will bring Truth and Honesty back to the church, Calvary Church will be revived. But it goes beyond that. The end of the scandal of geedy for wealth & fame in church leadership starting in CC and AOG, will highlight a new era that will reshape the Christian community, into more like Christ. However, if on the other hand, PG wins; Calvary Church & CHristian community will continue to be nominal & the greed for wealth in Christian community will continue & even grow more. We see increasing symdrome of greed in Christian community nowadays. So what happen next will decide how the next generation of Christian community in malaysia - whether better or worse.

Anonymous said...

Do not allow ourselves be deceived by the lies, lies and more lies from the present G regime in CC.

Today is report card day.

Let us run through a summary of main points:
1. FAILED PROJECTS :
a. DAMANSARA ENDAH BUNGALOWS - PURCHASES
The various bungalows were bought at PEAK market prices, not at lower prices, surprising fact for supposedly Godly annointed leadership. Hard earned money wasted down. We were deceived.
2. HARTAMAS LAND PURCHASE
Supposedly to be "lighthouse church" with some convincing prophercies from visiting foreign speakers - with confirmations !
Deceived again.
3. HORSESHOE AUDITORIUM EXTENSION - DAMANSARA ENDAH CHURCH
Again more church funds wasted on a hopeless project. Sigh !
4. OVERHEAD PROJECTOR AND MASS DVD PRODUCTION
Ambitious but seemingly justified project to mass produce and export SP brand of sermons in CC to other churches and to reach out to the unsaved. Somehow, the original objectives were and are shelved indefinitely by our AV Dept. another white elephant project. Sigh again ! More $$$ wasted.
5. CALVARYLAND
Currently with only four (4) registered inmates, not as per subsequently manufactured figures by the G regime. Whichever way you look at it, this is a gigantic white elephant, tens of thousands wasted in this grandiose but useless project ! Mind you every inmate must pay for their own expenses - NOT sponsored by Calvaryland ! Forget about sending deserving cases among homeless destitute poor children, struggling single parents, aging men or women, etc because most likely they will NOT end up in Calvaryland - which we beleive is run like an exclusive club ! That's why the number of inmates are so small !
6. CALVARY CONVENTION CENTRE
Instead of the original plan for a church, CCC became inflated into a super complex, fueled by grandiose ideas of persoanl fame and glory - at the expense of we "dumb sheep". What a tragic comedy ! Especially when you put a non engineer qualified son, as the Project Director, in charge of the mega project allegedly totalling beyond RM 100 million. The reported fact that the project was stopped months ago was repeatedly denied and covered up until about 2 weeks from the Calvary Convention Centre Carnival by the G regime. How embarrassing to sell the Carnival tickets to your friends and contacts now they know about the abandoned CCC project ! We are deceived into being accomplices of a major lie ! We destroyed the trust of our contacts, being misled by lies , lies and lies from these fallen socalled leaders !

Harsh reality hits hard with all these true facts the congregation who gave sacrificially to the noble cause.

We stupid no more!

TOTT, TOTT, TOTT - Period ! Merry Christmas, enjoy while you can - SP, BOD and cronies.

Church Member said...

Hello! My offering to the church is NOT for the church to engaged a well known lawyer to defend PG and BOD-lah

Scripture says.. said...

2 Corinthian 8:13 ( NLT ) "Of course, I don't mean that your giving make should make life easier for others and hard for yourselves. I only mean that there should have some be some equality. "
dear cc members, Its the season of celebrating God's Gift to us. As we know the lifestyle of our sp and wife in comparison with the rest of the church workers. Be wise and consider giving to these deserving brothers and sisters DIRECT instead of putting trust in BOD/SP to allocate properly the money God had placed at your disposal. Suggest a directed TOTT to avoid putting money in the wrong hands!

Put in Cold Storage said...

There are plenty of other deserving avenues that we can direct our gifts to for the Christmas season..shelter homes, orphanages, poor pastors and workers ministering to the needy and oppressed people groups in Sabah and Sarawak.

We can for the moment divert our attention to the really needy pastors and workers rather than for the spoilt and pampered ones in CC.

Perhaps we can leave them in cold storage for this season....Let us be wise and discerning in our giving.

Anonymous said...

Wisdom from Above
Let's continue to Fast and Pray for Wisdom, Revelation ,Peace & Tranquility to prevail in CC !
PG is no longer the Legitimate Pastor ever since 2006 according to the Church Handbook. BOD cannot renew PG tenure-ship as SP without members approval via an EGM.
The current PG as SP and all decisions made were and are NULL & Void! Very shocking indeed.
I will attend the worship service but I will withhold Offerings and Donations till the current CC saga is resolved! CC will go through a FINANCIAL Starvation in the process of cleansing for years.
THE LORD of HOSTS HAS A UNIQUE WAY TO SOLVE THIS CRISIS!
May God Bless Us All.

Expected said...

Many warning has been giving over the past years! That the situation will be ultimately come to this stage but what to do, PG is fear is still the man of the year and no one can tell him what to do!

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