Monday, June 22, 2009

Why Calvary Today will not be closed?

At last Friday’s AGM, the members voted by way of ballot for Calvary Today and 3 other blogs to be closed down for various reasons, one of which is that it causes strife, confusion and division. However, the administrators of CT have resolved that this blog will continue to remain open based on the following reasons:-

1. Calvary Church does not own Calvary Today and Berita Calvary and therefore, the members have no locus standi or any legal right to decide on anything pertaining to the blogs.

2. The resolution passed by the AGM last Friday is purely academic and not enforceable on the administrators of the blogs.

3. The administrators did not vote for the closure of the blogs, therefore, they are under no moral obligation to comply with the 'illegal' resolution.

4. As has been established, the entire balloting process during the AGM was seriously flawed and therefore, the results of the balloting may be inaccurate and may not actually reflect the wishes of the majority of the members.

5. Closing down the CT blog will translate into complying with an unconstitutional resolution secured through a questionable balloting process and this is contradictory to the underlying objective of CT which is to pursue truth, transparency and good governance.

6. Closing down the CT blog will result in denying the members their basic right to true and accurate information about the Church, the Senior Pastor, the Pastors and the Deacons and their wayward ways, unscriptural conduct, unethical and immoral practices and wrong-doings.

7. Closing down the CT blog will deny the members from airing their grievances, hurts and disappointment and also deny them the opportunity to provide suggestions and proposals for the good and well-being of the Church.

8. Closing down the CT blog will also deny the Church leadership from access to the above information which will keep them abreast of the concerns and needs of the members, so that they can take positive action to arrest the problems and move forward. The Church leaders may deny it but any member can see that some of the action plans which they are implementing in their moving forward programme have resulted from their reading the CT blog.

9. If the ballots are accurate and that 342 members did vote to close the blogs, this number represents only:-

a) 51% of the total attendance of 665 members at the AGM
b) 14% of the average weekly attendance of 2,500 worshippers
c) 3% of the total number of 10,200 people whom Calvary ministers to, as per our Church website.

Everyone that our Church ministers to, have a right to know what is going on in Calvary and therefore, we cannot allow the wishes of just 3% of the people to overrule the interest and rights of the balance 97%.

10. CT was born out of necessity in the face of an arrogant, recalcitrant and indifferent Board of Deacons and Senior Pastor. Until the problems in our Church are resolved, CT will remain and will continue to expose the unscriptural conduct, unethical practices and wrong-doings of the Church leadership, Pastors and Deacons.

11. Berita Calvary only publishes Christian-based articles, testimonies and teachings which edify and bless the body of Christ and propagate the gospel. This blog has never published any article on the issues in Calvary Church. Therefore, we cannot understand why any Christian would propose a resolution to close such a Christian blog. It is truly baffling!

The administrators have made a unequivocal stand that the CT and Berita Calvary blogs will remain open until Calvary Church is restored back to God.

Note:
Since CT was highlighted at the AGM, the hit rate on the blog has been phenomenal. The administrators wish to convey their appreciation to the Proposer and Seconder of the resolution to close the blogs and the Board of Deacons for the wide publicity of the blogs at the AGM.
Truly, our God is a great and witty God!

21 comments:

True Story said...

Bravo, CT! Well done, TTG!

We must keep fighting the good fight of faith, to uphold truth & transparency!

Calvary Church, Kuala Lumpur, has degenerated into a cultic church under the questionable leadership of Prince and Petrina Guneratnam, thereby bringing much shame to the Body of Christ in Malaysia,SO the work of CT is not over yet!

This is a spiritual work, exposing the lies of the enemy in AOG Malaysia.....

"21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's." (Philippians 2:21, KJV)

CT follower said...

we support you wholeheartedly, CT and BT!
For the record, i think there is now no need to post the comments of those ppl who voted for the blogs to be closed anymore since they are of the opinion it should be closed. this blog should only be open to comments from those of us who support this blog and its cause for truth, transparency and good governance. Ppl who rather be blinded and believe in lies do not deserve the privilege to hv their comments posted here.

Anonymous said...

Pshn

AGM 2009

THE SURGING WAVES, THE RISING TIDE

AGM
I saw no retreat
I saw no defeat
On TTG's side

Nor did I see any observable victory the other side

We remain still in God’s will
And in it we must remain
Striving......to enter its rest.

It is never easy
To challenge the incumbent
Never!
But not impossible
..........With God

Where was God then?
He was there
Watching and waiting
We are desperate to taste victory
Now, today, immediately!
The flesh
Hates to wait!

Voting by secret ballot.
A first in the Calvary’s history
A step forward.....no?

AGM Chairing
Unprecedented
Progress in procedure....no?
Of course RC ...
For this time, this round.

Resolution for the Ratification PG’s re-appointment.
Thrown out?
Only because of technicalities
The half-cup full says
He had no guts
No gumption
No courage
To face the choice of his people
Did he win?
No he escaped
Slithering away into the darkness
To hide from the truth
The sheep are beeping
For a better shepherd

A Caretaker Committee?
Appointed by the AOG Council?
Are you sure?
Is it the sane thing to do?
What if RC Heads it?
And K Yap is secretary
And others alike.
Indescribable Chaos......???

Constitutional Review Committee?
Lets be real.
This will never happen
Until a transition of leadership occurs
Poor PG, BOD.
They are clinging for dear life
It is their constitution
It is their last line of defence.

Truth Committee??
Their rejection means
There are more to be revealed??
Then what
Their heads hanging in shame
If that be possible
And lose all those who sacrificially believe in PG?
And all those half-believing souls?
A doubtful credibility
Is better than none at all.
You expect them to accept this?
A suicidal move for them!

Dr Lum
This is their revenge!
Their full satisfaction
For the embarrassment he caused them
Don’t worry
Dr. Lum will survive
Christiandom is far larger than Calvary!!
Oop! Apologies Calvary!

Closure of CalvaryToday?
No big deal
Another name
Another Administrator
As long as the bloggers know.
Its TTG's life-line.

For TTG
There was no retreat
Only a thwarted advance
They had no taste of victory
They locked themselves in
Into the secure labyrinth of the constitution
Waiting anxiously
Because, they know, one day
We will decipher the code
We will get in.

Meanwhile
The waves are surging higher on the shore
Amidst a rising tide

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

WHY THIS BLOG MUST NOT SHUT DOWN.

There are at least two reasons this blog must not shut down.

One is what Paul taught his younger apprentice, Timothy. Paul said in 1 Timothy 4:3, "The time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth."

In other words, "Timothy, it is likely that you are going to have to say some unpopular things that do not scratch where people itch. I want you to know this in advance so that you are not shaken when the truth you preach is rejected. It will take courage to press on in the face of that opposition, Timothy. So be courageous and take your share of suffering for the truth (1:8; 2:3; 3:13-14)."

The other reason is because subjectivism and relativism permeate our culture and threaten to destroy churches. By RELATIVISM I mean the assumption that there is no such thing as absolutes. What is true or right or good or beautiful for you may not be for me. It's all relative. By SUBJECTIVISM I mean the assumption that in this relativistic atmosphere I, the subject, have the right to determine what is good and bad, right and wrong, true and false, beautiful and ugly for me without submitting my judgment to any objective reality or any objective authority outside myself.

This means that it is extremely unpopular today to take a strong stand on anything except TOLERANCE.

If you commend a truth with confidence, and make a case for it on the basis of objective evidences, and call on people with urgency to change their minds and believe it, you will be viewed as arrogant and even dangerous. But if you avoid talking about truth or give the impression that truth is unattainable, and if you avoid words like "should" and "ought" and "must," then you will signal to people that there is no objective truth and there are no moral absolutes. And then people will see you as humble.

I refer to Matthew 10:24-31. The aim of Jesus in these verses is to give us the courage to speak the truth of God's word with clarity and openness no matter what the cost.

"A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master; it is enough for the disciple to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household. So have no FEAR of them; for nothing is covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. What I tell you in the dark, utter in the light; and what you hear whispered, proclaim upon the housetops. And do not FEAR those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather FEAR him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father's will. But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. FEAR not, therefore, you are of more value than many sparrows."

The real danger of fear in this passage is the fear to speak clearly (in the light) and openly (on the housetops) when that speaking might get you in trouble.

So here's the point of the passage: Don't be afraid to speak clearly and openly what Christ has taught you even if it costs you your church, your friends, and your life. Or to put the point positively, Be courageous to speak the truth of Scripture clearly and openly for all to hear even if it is unpopular and dangerous.

Vijay

Anonymous said...

CC or SP have NO right to close this blog.. it doesnt even belong to them..
they dont respect other peoples' privacy.. tsk tsk

the sheep said...

Our disappointment on the "majority" vote in AGM to close CT has now turn out to be our joy based on the increase hits recorded.I interpret this as God's favor is on our side. Not only that, their proposal have backfire on them as the CK now have to ceased in order to comply with what they proposed.

Yes, we will continue in the war against deceit.

Kudos to you, TTG brothers and sisters.I salute to Dr Lum who went through all the humiliation to make a stand on what is right!

Anonymous said...

Galatian 6:7 - "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

Number 32:23b - "...and you may be sure that your sin will find you out."

The above 2 scripture verses apply to ALL of us. Beware Senior Pastor ! They are especially for you as Our Heavenly Father's divine clock is ticking !!! Your time will come.

Bluntee said...

I'm no longer in calvary, and it's sad for me to say this, but my heart still prays for God to bring victory FOR HIS NAME's SAKE in this church.

Come on TTG and Calvary Today!

Shame in CC said...

As a Calvarite, I am ashamed that PG (who was chairing on Sat) decided to take a "provisional" vote on the EGM minutes even though it was pointed out that the EGM is incorrect as it has additions (which should not be there or are in the wrong place) & ommisions (which should be there but are conveniently left out).

However, I am MORE ashamed of those "blindly-loyal-to-PG" Calvarites who actually submitted to PG & voted for the incorrect EGM minutes to be adopted.

In all my years of attending AGMs & EGMs, I have NEVER seen nor heard of an adoption of a minutes PROVISIONALLY. It's either adopted or sent back to the drawing board to be resubmitted at the next General Meeting but then this is CC mah; so everything PG says is Gospel lor (to those ostrich-followers of his).

Shame on you, PG (for not having the guts to face your members in the vote),
Shame on you, RC (for being an accomplice),
Shame on you, BOD (for fearing the man of God but not fearing God),
Shame on you, APs (for telling lies & lies to cover for your boss, PG, because he pays you a big fat salary),
Shame on you, ostrich-followers of PG (for not standing up for Truth & for God but prepared to take a bullet for PG, the lying SP of CC).

Shame, Shame, Shame on all of you.

Let's see how you answer God on Judgement Day for your part in "killing" the Truth, Transparency & Godly Governance in CC for in so doing you have just struck the last nail into CC's coffin. CC is now officially DEAD spiritually.

TTG our heroes said...

TTG, your bravery is greatly admired. It is not easy to stare the devil in the face and you did it. God, He reigns! God bless

Are you sure there's nothing to hide? said...

PG is as sly as a fox. Many have already noticed him in action over and over as chairman of meetings. He patiently waited until many have left and many more were dead tired after a marathon session of more than 10 hours over a 25 hour period and he went in for the "kill" passing the minutes of all three previous meetings on a "provisional" basis.

Watch for the amended minutes to appear. Will there be a special meeting called to approve the amended minutes or the revised and amended minutes to be conveniently included in the reports and accounts for the AGM's papers next year? Frankly, I do not have great hope for a change for a better transparency. accountability and good governance as the dominant players are in control and business will be as usual.

Why is he so afraid of letting a committee/commission(call it by whatever description) be set-up to examine the records and make a report to all interested members if there's nothing to hide?

Know who is the big bad wolf said...

To CT

It will be a hugh mistake to close the blog as CC is most unwilling to disclose vital news to its membership

CC can ride roughshod and bulldoze during the meetings the issues and resolutions presented in compliance with the constitution but CC has no legal authority to close down the blog. A blogger has commented that another blog with a different name will just appear overnight. This is the reality and power of IT....

Out of step church leadership better take note and operate within acceptable spiritual realms and boundaries.

You know who is the big bad wolf...

AS IT IS said...

PG's REGIME as manifested at the AGM:

1. SUPPRESSIVE: Block release of information
All who serve in his Administration
can't talk freely, can't read the CT blog
can't be in any way be associated with
the TTG CAUSE.
can't vote freely.


2. OPPRESSIVE :Voice of VM silenced.
Members gagged with "House Rules of
the day"--Ordered members around
rudely, with clear intent to Humiliate,
Embarrass & Intimidate.

Switch off the microphone at his will!

Issue Threats: Assoc pastors & leaders
including young adults & youth were
Mobilised as *Bouncers
*( PG actually called them out on a few occasions for all to see he mean business--that they have no qualms to throw out any "willful" members who behave to his displeasure! )

DICTATORIAL & DRACONIAN in every aspect!

Only those who were present to witness the scene can fully see what horrible creatures PG, BOD & Assoc Pas. they really are. (if just reading the comments in CT one can feel indignant, being there would be a thousand times worst.)

They will surely meet their just end for how they treated those who stood-up for the TTG CAUSE, and most of all for the IRRESPONSIBLE & Dishonest Stewardship of God given resources.

Really Timidly "Gong Gong" said...

Did anyone notice how TO and a male usher jump from their seats, joined by another pastor, rushing from the back, went towards the petite Sister Lisa when she went to the microphone during the AGM?
How insecure and fearful are the SP's men! Three men are fearful of a lady who is brave enough to stand for truth, transparency and righteousness in CC.What harm can she do? What danger can she bring? What gain can she get? What disunity can she cause?
And deacon PT could said there were no problems in CC.
Their action speaks louder than words.No division? No strife? Are you sure there's love?
Sister Lisa, I salute your courage, persistency and consistency in your pursuit for truth.

Anonymous said...

Truly evil has taken over senior pastor and the BOD. How can someone speak one thing, ( the good side) and do the exact opposite: Lies, deceit, misuse of money, misuse of power, cheating, more lies, bullying...cover ups, gosh...is this a church?????

Please wake up CC! said...

What was meant to deny others the opportunity of reading about the truth for themselves has bounced back and turned out to be a great promo! He he!(In this case it has bounced back and hit the proposer squarely in the face! Whoops!)

God is great! No matter how many things you throw at Him, He'll always make a way for His will and those who love Him!

Hopefully CC will read the blog for themselves, see the grievances of the members and move to restore the church to what it should be: a shining testimony of truth, love, and good governance where God's values are implemented!

We are to be an example of God's love to a world suffering in the dark! Please CC! Return to be a pure and holy body of Christ, and allow not God's name be further tarnished!Never forget that we are God's representatives on Earth!

Anonymous said...

Bro & Sis of CC.
Lets start a boycott and stop all givings to CC has protest.
Maybe after this the BOD will open their eyes and ears and listen to the church.
Now is the time for action, since all our request have fallen to the deaf.
Sometimes drastic actions are required for the good of CC. I have started and hope that many will follow.

A God fearing man that wants Gods glory returned to Him by CC.

gagged said...

Now that CT will continue to be a platform for memmbers and non-members alike to know the truth and going-ons in CC. Great!

I am sure many concerned parties who are for truth, transparency and good governance will be thankful that the administrators of CT did not take the bite at the AGM. As a known fact CT does not belong to CC. So how can they ask for its closure. They can close the kindergarten cos it is the church's. They can even close Calvaryland if they want to! (No, I am not advocating this; it's only an example.) Can your neighbour insists that you close all your kitchen doors and windows just because your cooking emits an aroma which he/she detests! Period.

I would not be surprised if the Church leaders (who fear man and not God) will try to find ways to curb the freedom of the internet. Let's hope they will realize the error of their conducts and do not in any way impose their draconian will on others.

Thank you, CT.

Anonymous said...

There is only one sure way that there will be no public domain discussion on internal church matters and that is simply that the church leadership starts to sincerely and genuinely engage members who have concern of what is happening within the church and at the same time stop any actions which are deemed to be divisive. Period.

latest said...

anyway, CU did not close their blog....all they did was to make it private, ie. via password and username. so technically, it is still opened and if cc leadership really wants to 'take action' on CT, they must also take action on CU administrators! :)

Listen to the lst tape said...

CALVARITES, please listen to the tape on 1st Resolution on Chairman for AGM running @ 5.00 onwards

Adding to his judgement call of when an "amen" is or is not disturbing and provocative, Rev Ronnie Chin said, "..in fact in some countries, you don't have a choice like in Singapore (you can't sic) the law requires you to have rules of order or you can't be recognised as a church..."

It is so easy to make flippant statement comparing ourselves to neighbouring country. Is Rev Ronnie Chin a politician? Does he know what he is saying? Why take the easy route of a Singapore-bashing mentality for diversion and hoping to score easy point? Hey, the tiny island state has earned international awards after awards for many outstanding achievements esp. for integrity, good and clean governance. To use an old clique - RC is barking up a wrong tree..

CC pastors/BODs doing what they are not supposed to do with church's funds would be in serious trouble in many countries not just in Singapore. Be honest and sincere to your fellow calvrites.

With his superficial understanding of issues, RC had the gumption to accept the chairmanship of the AGM and now let our nation know more about the spiritual calibre of AOG leadership...

CT
You have my permission to post at the first commentary listing as well. thank you

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