We reproduce below a Comment / Testimony posted by a pioneer member of Calvary Church, since the days of Calvary Church's humble beginnings in Jalan Sayor. It is good to remember our roots and to thank God for the way He led the pioneer Pastors of Calvary Church and to recognise the work of those Pastors who guided, encouraged and loved the members of the Church by living a godly example to the Church members back then.
Jalan Sayor migrant said...
History
Guynes was one of our pastors when we were in Jalan Sayor. He did not play a part in the building of CC DH (Calvary Church Damansara Heights).
Pastor Jones and Assistant Pastor Fred Abeysekera (Singaporean) were our pastors in Jalan Sayor who spearheaded CC at DH (Calvary Church at Damansara Heights). We were the English speaking congregation sharing First Assembly in Jalan Sayor.
They caught the vision to purchase DH (Damansara Heights) land at RM2.70 per sq foot, plans were drawn and we built our present church by stages. They shared their vision with us and assured us since God gave the vision, He (God) will supply the money.
This He did - Americans like Gene Martin, Katherine Kuffman foundation and various other people helped to raise funds. Our congregation then was 60-70 and only about 20 were working with limited income. We raised funds by selling cookies, kueh, sew clothes, wash cars - meagre sums but we were all happily doing what we could to contribute.
Mind you there were no faith promise, missions offering, pledges etc. We did what we could - Pastor Jones and family moved in to the back of CC DH (where the Visitor's lounge is) so that he can give his housing allowance for renting of a bungalow to the church offering.
WE MOVED IN DEBT FREE - this made a very strong impression on me - when God desires us to build any churches for His glory, He gives vision to one or two or three - they share, the rest will catch the vision. He provides the funds through others, through us and multiplies. There was no pressure - we sacrificed what we could - God did the rest.
Pastor Jones GAVE what others from abroad gave to Calvary Church for CC building fund.
What others give to PG for CCC from abroad, does he give All back to CCC or his personal account?
PG and PG2 were pastoring in the backwaters of Klang - sure, he did not contribute 1 single cent.
In fact when we employed them as pastors, they came in to a well established church because all of us love the Lord - we also loved the Guneratnams and even gave them an interest free loan to buy their BANDARAYA house and pay their instalments for them as housing allowance.
YET WHAT DID THEY DO? They axed some of the Jalan Sayor crowd. They bite the hand of those who feed them!!
MANY OF US FROM JALAN SAYOR can attest that this is what we went through.
Am sharing this with you because when you are not part and parcel of those who helped to raise funds for CC DH, you will have no qualms even to sell it to ensure CCC comes into being - HJK mentioned this during an EGM.
Wonder whether you guys are ever concerned that in KL it is extremely difficult to get a church land, let alone at DH?
It is where we begun, so we should hold tight to it and not chase after CCC which is really out of the way for many, especially the older ones.
For BOD - godliness with contentment is great gain - do not chase after the wind!!!
This was a Comment posted on April 8, 2011 11:16 AM in the previous artical on Calvaryland -Another Sad Tale
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Saturday, April 9, 2011
Monday, April 4, 2011
Calvaryland - Another Sad Tale
We reproduce below a Comment posted by a Calvarite on his/her personal experience with Calvaryland.
CALVARITES SUCKERED OVER CALVARYLAND
Further to Thawed Brain's remarks on Calvaryland, we wish to share our true story about it. After Calvaryland materialised and became a reality, we thought it would be an excellent idea to transfer our aged mother to Calvaryland. We thought it would be the ideal place, full of fresh air and tranquility. Plus we thought it was run by CC, esp since it was supposedly managed by loving Christians.
We were simply shocked by the negative responses to our enquiries on in Calvaryland. Sister Sherren* told us there were no medically qualified staff at Calvaryland. Only periodic visits to governnment clinic far away from Calvaryland. She emphasised we must be self financing, that is, we must pay for all mum's expenses (which we were prepared to do so, in the first place).
Which brings us the the question: If all the ten inmates or less are self paying/self financing - why is Calvaryland being allocated RM300,000 - RM 500,000 every year ? Why need so much money for only ten inmates or less ?
How can the homeless, the single mothers, the drug addicts, the poor orphans, etc be self financing ? How can they pay for their expenses at Calvaryland ?
Why after costing RM 1o million to build and equip, Calvaryland only has ten or less inmates ?
Isn't it obviously not cost effective ? Not result oriented ? We at CC and the general public who contributed to this noble cause would have expected better results, right ?
BTW, we have not finished our true story.
The heart attack shocker we had was - When we were told by Sister Sherren*, "Calvaryland is too far away for your mother, sure you don't mind !"
Question : If Sister Sherren thinks Calvaryland is located too far, why in the fisrt place CC (through PG's grand vison) buy the land and build this RM 10,000,000.00 (RM 10 million) Calvaryland ? Really stupid and Illogical !
We could help being hurt and digusted by the turn off attitude of this person, attending to our enquiries. We had no choice but to conclude having the uncanny suspicion that she was trying very hard to shoo us away. She did not show any concern about accepting or even meeting our aged mother. She seemed to be firm about turning away our poor mother !
BTW we are CC members for decades.
Yet we received such harsh treatment. Thank God. We later found a very suitable nursing home for mum, a home where the staff show genuine concern and care for our mother. NOT Calvaryland.
We wonder whether Calvaryland serves its original purpose as proclaimed in CC by PG. Or has it deviated so much from it original good cause ?
We too were SUCKERED into believing the grand lies Calvaryland being the ideal place for aged people, homeless orphane, single mothers, drug addicts, poor and needy, etc. We also did our share of contributing to this "noble cause". BUT the truth exposed showed the opposite ! we also shared with our home life leader about our disappointment over Calvaryland BUT he said nothing.
No wonder Calvaryland got only ten VVIP extremely PRIVILEGED EXCLUSIVELY SELECTED INMATES !!!!!
We swear to Almighty God everything said in this blog is 100% true.
Another PG's lies exposed. Calvarites be warned NOT TO CONTRIBUTE ANYMORE to Calvaryland.
Wake up people. TOTT. TOTT. TOTT.
Until CC is cleaned of the sinful leadership it has now.
CALVARITES SUCKERED OVER CALVARYLAND
Further to Thawed Brain's remarks on Calvaryland, we wish to share our true story about it. After Calvaryland materialised and became a reality, we thought it would be an excellent idea to transfer our aged mother to Calvaryland. We thought it would be the ideal place, full of fresh air and tranquility. Plus we thought it was run by CC, esp since it was supposedly managed by loving Christians.
We were simply shocked by the negative responses to our enquiries on in Calvaryland. Sister Sherren* told us there were no medically qualified staff at Calvaryland. Only periodic visits to governnment clinic far away from Calvaryland. She emphasised we must be self financing, that is, we must pay for all mum's expenses (which we were prepared to do so, in the first place).
Which brings us the the question: If all the ten inmates or less are self paying/self financing - why is Calvaryland being allocated RM300,000 - RM 500,000 every year ? Why need so much money for only ten inmates or less ?
How can the homeless, the single mothers, the drug addicts, the poor orphans, etc be self financing ? How can they pay for their expenses at Calvaryland ?
Why after costing RM 1o million to build and equip, Calvaryland only has ten or less inmates ?
Isn't it obviously not cost effective ? Not result oriented ? We at CC and the general public who contributed to this noble cause would have expected better results, right ?
BTW, we have not finished our true story.
The heart attack shocker we had was - When we were told by Sister Sherren*, "Calvaryland is too far away for your mother, sure you don't mind !"
Question : If Sister Sherren thinks Calvaryland is located too far, why in the fisrt place CC (through PG's grand vison) buy the land and build this RM 10,000,000.00 (RM 10 million) Calvaryland ? Really stupid and Illogical !
We could help being hurt and digusted by the turn off attitude of this person, attending to our enquiries. We had no choice but to conclude having the uncanny suspicion that she was trying very hard to shoo us away. She did not show any concern about accepting or even meeting our aged mother. She seemed to be firm about turning away our poor mother !
BTW we are CC members for decades.
Yet we received such harsh treatment. Thank God. We later found a very suitable nursing home for mum, a home where the staff show genuine concern and care for our mother. NOT Calvaryland.
We wonder whether Calvaryland serves its original purpose as proclaimed in CC by PG. Or has it deviated so much from it original good cause ?
We too were SUCKERED into believing the grand lies Calvaryland being the ideal place for aged people, homeless orphane, single mothers, drug addicts, poor and needy, etc. We also did our share of contributing to this "noble cause". BUT the truth exposed showed the opposite ! we also shared with our home life leader about our disappointment over Calvaryland BUT he said nothing.
No wonder Calvaryland got only ten VVIP extremely PRIVILEGED EXCLUSIVELY SELECTED INMATES !!!!!
We swear to Almighty God everything said in this blog is 100% true.
Another PG's lies exposed. Calvarites be warned NOT TO CONTRIBUTE ANYMORE to Calvaryland.
Wake up people. TOTT. TOTT. TOTT.
Until CC is cleaned of the sinful leadership it has now.
Friday, March 25, 2011
PG Chickens Out Again
Court Mediation fails
After agreeing to the Plaintiffs’ proposal for a Court Mediation, Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG) failed to turn up for the much anticipated face-to-face negotiations. Instead, he sent Pastor Steven and deacon David Peters to represent him.
The above information was obtained from one of the 60-odd class action plaintiffs who also informed CT that out of the 6 deacons collectively named as the 2nd Defendants, only Patrick Wong, Edward Rajasingam and Philip Tan showed up.
According to the source, the main 7 Plaintiffs went with only one simple proposal and that is the formation of an independent committee to review and revise the Church Constitution for the future good of Calvary Church. And even that was rejected.
The sincerity of PG and his deacons in agreeing to the Plaintiffs’ proposal to settle the matter out of court really comes into question.
CT is unable to provide further details at this time as according to the source, the 7 main Plaintiffs are unsure if they could divulge the full details of what transpired during the Court Mediation.
The matter will now be set for hearing in chambers on 12 April 2011.
After agreeing to the Plaintiffs’ proposal for a Court Mediation, Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG) failed to turn up for the much anticipated face-to-face negotiations. Instead, he sent Pastor Steven and deacon David Peters to represent him.
The above information was obtained from one of the 60-odd class action plaintiffs who also informed CT that out of the 6 deacons collectively named as the 2nd Defendants, only Patrick Wong, Edward Rajasingam and Philip Tan showed up.
According to the source, the main 7 Plaintiffs went with only one simple proposal and that is the formation of an independent committee to review and revise the Church Constitution for the future good of Calvary Church. And even that was rejected.
The sincerity of PG and his deacons in agreeing to the Plaintiffs’ proposal to settle the matter out of court really comes into question.
CT is unable to provide further details at this time as according to the source, the 7 main Plaintiffs are unsure if they could divulge the full details of what transpired during the Court Mediation.
The matter will now be set for hearing in chambers on 12 April 2011.
Thursday, March 10, 2011
PG Changes Lawyers
Zul Rafique & Partners replaces KK Wong
In a baffling move, Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG) recently applied to court to change the lawyer defending the Board of Deacons and him in the ongoing class action legal suit brought against them by a group of some 60-odd concerned Calvary Church members.
For reasons not known, he has replaced KK Wong with Zul Rafique & Partners. Zul Rafique & Partners was one of the legal firms which a few of the Plaintiffs had consulted before the commencement of the present legal suit. However, the Plaintiffs subsequently did not engage this legal firm and opted instead to engage a Christian legal firm.
KK Wong, who is a well-known Christian lawyer had, in October 2010 suggested that the Plaintiffs put in a proposal to the Defendants for an out-of-court settlement, in the interest of the Christian community. The Plantiffs agreed to the suggestion and promptly submitted their proposal to KK Wong. However, PG rejected the Plaintiffs’ proposal outright without even bothering to make a counter-proposal.
Shortly after, at the case management on 6 January 2011, the Court was informed that Zul Rafique & Partners has now taken over the defence from KK Wong.
Despite the slap in the face, the Plaintiffs pursued the route for an amicable resolution
to the ongoing crisis and made a new proposal for a Court-assisted Mediation, which is a newly adopted process in the Malaysian legal system, designed to encourage disputes among families and communities to be resolved amicably out-of-court.
The Court Mediation is now set to take place on 24 March 2011. In the event the Mediation process fails, the case will be heard on 12 April 2011.
The Church leaders have not, until today, updated the members on the change of lawyers or the developments leading to the change. They have only merely announced the Court Mediation and Hearing dates. That’s transparency, Calvary Church KL-style.
