Result : Round 1 to the Concerned Members
WHAT THE PLAINTIFFS' INJUNCTION APPLICATION ASKED FOR
1. Injunction to stop the 1st and 2nd Defendants (Pastor Prince and the Deacons) from holding the 23 April Church AGM.
2. Injunction to stop the 1st and 2nd Defendants from removing the membership rights of the Plaintiffs and all other members (i.e. reinstatement of all members).
3. Injunction to stop the 1st and 2nd Defendants from amending the Rules and By-Laws of the Church Constitution.
4. Injunction to stop the 1st and 2nd Defendants from disposing any assets of the church without approval of AG Malaysia or an interim committee appointed by the Court.
5. Injunction to stop the 1st and 2nd Defendants from signing any cheque or cash transaction exceeding RM5,000 without approval of AG Malaysia or an interim committee appointed by the Court.
WHAT THE JUDGE DECIDED
1. The Judge did not grant the Injunction No.1 to stop the coming 23 April Church AGM.
2. The Judge partially granted Injunction No.2 and ordered the reinstatement of ONLY the 7 Plaintiffs and not all the 400 sacked members.
3. The Judge awarded legal costs of the Injunction application to the Plaintiffs (to be paid by the 1st and 2nd Defendants).
The Judge's rationale for rejecting Injunction No 1,3,4 and 5 was that they were not of material significance or urgency and if and when the Plaintiffs win the Originating Summons case later, she will allow the Plaintiffs the remedy of damages for decisions and transactions approved by the Defendants during the period of the legal suit.
In granting Injunction 2, the Judge approved the reinstatement of the 7 Plaintiffs only. This was the result of the argument by the Defendants' lawyer that the list of names of all the members was not known to the Court. Although the Judge granted only 1 out of 5 Injunction Prayers, it is deemed as a judgment in favour of the Plaintiffs and therefore, costs was awarded to the Plaintiffs.
CT understands that the core TTG group are now deliberating on whether to file an appeal to the Court of Appeal to review the Judgment.
Meanwhile, the Originating Summons which is to declare last year's AGM null and void, for the membership list as at June 2009 to remain status quo and for reconvening of a fresh AGM to consider the 7 proposed resolutions, is fixed for hearing on 24 May 2010.
Please continue to pray for wisdom and guidance upon the TTG brothers and sisters.
This was an encouragement we received this morning from a Concerned Member, "For I am the Lord, your God who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear: I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you,: declares the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel." (Isaiah 41:13 & 14)
God Bless and continue to Rejoice in the Lord always.
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APOLOGY
Calvary Today Administrators APOLOGISES to all our readers, brothers and sisters for the error made in our earlier report that all the members sacked from the 2010 membership rolls were reinstated. The said report has been re-written and published above after obtaining proper clarification and update.
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49 comments:
Dear TTG & Concerned members,
Do not take this as a defeat. God's ways are always higher than ours. Whatever the court's decision, many of us are still grateful to TTG & CT for highlighting what the pastors and deacons of Calvary Church have done all these years behind our backs. If not for you guy, most of us will still be giving our hard earned money to CC.
TTG members, do not be discouraged. I am glad that I do not need to give my money to ccc or PG & family anymore.
April 15, 2010 11:30 PM
Worshipper for 25 years say ...
Since ONLY THE 7 PLAINTIFFS HAVE BEEN REINSTATED,21 days written notice not given to 7 PLAINTIFFS, hence AGM will be Null and Void on 23-4-2010.
I did mentioned earlier that all 400+ sacked members must file their individual case for reinstatement & Rm one million compensation each!
Still got 6 working days to apply for reinstatement & seek compensation?
April 16, 2010 12:56 AM
sp and gang took money from 400 families n only 7 were reinstated .is there a refund back to 397 ? when come to money they take from ANYBODY with hype stories! goodness! the good news is....we are not wavering and turn off the tap!
April 16, 2010 1:14 AM
Worshipper for 25 years say ...
The Judge's rationale for rejecting Injunction No 1,3,4 and 5 is PROPER and LEGALLY sound.
The 23-4-2010 AGM is a preemptive strike to pass many resolutions to entrench their "EVIL Spiritual foothold " in Calvary Church.
So it is not necessary for the 400+ sacked voting members to participate in an illegal AGM in the first place.
The hearing on 24 May 2010 is the DECIDING FACTOR. If the Plaintiffs win the Civil Case, all resolutions, decisions, Deacon Board appointments, Elders named, etc, etc will be declared NULL and VOID.
...If and when the Plaintiffs win the Originating Summons case later, she will allow the Plaintiffs the remedy of damages for decisions and transactions approved by the Defendants during the period of the legal suit.
...the Judge approved the reinstatement of the 7 Plaintiffs only is " to allow these 7 voting members the privilege to observe " the illegal Calvary Church AGM of 23-4-2010. Please record by audio and video of resolutions passed as the evidences gathered are required for Civil Damages.
Please FAST and PRAY for the "MAIN ISSUE " that is the ...Originating Summons which is to declare last year's AGM null and void, for the membership list as at June 2009 to remain status quo and for reconvening of a fresh AGM to consider the 7 proposed resolutions..
Please " do not file an appeal" to the Court of Appeal to review the Judgment. Please DO NOT irritate & provoke the Judge further, since PG & illegal DeaconBoard have already shown their alleged " EVIL Intentions "which is clearly spelled out for the World to see and read.
Pray for the Judge ! Let the Judge do her work in Peace and Harmony, and with Wisdom as KING SOLOMON did in Biblical Times! AMEN!
I heard that the church leadership & BOD had a meeting last night. I'm sure they must have brainstormed on how to manage the 7 Plaintiffs when they attend the coming AGM. And these 7 bros & sis are the most vocal ones! Kah Kah Kah.... There goes PG and gangs' wish for a 'quiet, no question asked" AGM.
To our 7 Plaintiffs and TTG bros & sis, we are all behind you. Continue to do what is right in God's eyes.
TTG and CT, we thank you whole heartedly for all your effort and determination to right the wrond committed in CC, in our united pursuit of Truth, Transparency and Good Governance (TTG & G). On behalf of all CC Concerned members / local and foreign supporters / etc, we congratulate you on the success achieved in court. Not getting the 400 plus reinstated is just a temporary phase, not to be considered a setback at all.
Main thing is the voctory achieved in the reinstatement of the seven members, who can again represent more than adequately CC's aim of TTG & G during the coming / rescheduled AGM. We leave the whole matter to in the Hands of God. The Holy Bible tells us God can use a handful of Christian heroic soldiers to defeat the enemies' huge armies.
Even in the secular world, history points out the heroic stance of a mere 300 Spartan soldiers fighting the Persian Emperor's tens of thousands - and winning by driving the Persians back defeated and scattered.
These 7 reinstated plaintiffs can be God's chosen Magnificent Seven against the enemy.
The seven-fold blessing:—
I will bring you out from Egypt.
I will rid you of their bondage.
I will redeem you.
I will take you to Me for a people.
I will be to you a God.
I will bring you in unto the land.
I will give it you.
Abraham's Seven-fold Blessing
Genesis 12:2, 3:—
"I will make of thee a great nation,
And I will bless thee,
And make thy name great;
And thou shalt be a blessing;
And I will bless them that bless thee,
And curse him that curseth thee:
And in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
Seven Miracles In John's Gospel
•2. The water turned into wine.
•4:47. The nobleman's son.
•5:4. At the pool of Bethesda.
•6. The feeding of the 5,000.
•9:1. The man born blind.
•11. The raising of Lazarus.
•21. The draught of fishes.
GOD HARDENED THE HEART OF PHARAOH (Exodus 10)
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have HARDENED HIS HEART AND THE HEARTS OF HIS OFFICIALS so that I may perform these miraculous SIGNS of mine among them that you may tell your children and grandchildren how I dealt harshly with the Egyptians and how I performed my signs among them, and that you may know that I am the LORD."
Praise the Lord for the victory. Remember, God had to send 10 plagues before Pharaoh set the captives free. This is our first victory! But Pharaoh will not set his captives free NOW because the Lord has hardened his heart so that He can give one final victory which will shake the very foundation of Christian leadership in Malaysia. When God finally opens the “Red Sea” and drowns Pharaoh, not only will he be drowned but his cronies as well as present leaders who “looked the other way”
Vijay
PROPHETIC REVELATION ON MALAYSIA
Please find below a prophetic revelation I received from a friend about the state of Christianity in Malaysia.
Vijay
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Dear Leaders and Co Leaders,
The Intercessors at the 24/7 Prayer House in Kenya have been fasting and praying for Malaysia since the 5 January, 2010 for 40 days. There was a very, very strong burden for Malaysia and during their intercession there was much weeping and crying out for this nation.
The following is the message they received from the Lord for Malaysia:
Malaysia is at a very important crossroads. The Lord says that He has been so faithful to the nation of Malaysia.
He has protected Malaysia in 3 areas:
1. The principalities over Malaysia have tried to cause racial dissension. Feelings were stirred in the hearts of the people to rise up for destruction but because of God's grace, He has prevented this destruction from happening.
2. God has protected Malaysia from natural calamities when the surrounding regions have been hit by such disasters.
3. God has protected the church. Seeing that you are in a Muslim land, the church has a high measure of freedom thus far. Many times the enemy has tried to come up to close in on the church but God has not permitted it.
God's faithfulness and favour towards Malaysia is not because the Church has been praying. In fact, the Church in Malaysia has entered into a comfort zone. The Church is so contented and so comfortable and in slumber. There is prayerlessness in the church and she is not carrying the burden that God has for the "cousins" in the land. Most of the prayers that take place in the churches are personal prayers but not a burden for the nation and the lost.
Warning from the Lord:
The veil of protection over Malaysia is slowly giving way over this land. The heavens over Malaysia have already begun to close. The burning of the churches is but a tip of the ice-berg of what the enemy is wanting to do over this nation. There is a looming judgment waiting to take place over this land if intercessors do not arise.
Teaching on Abraham pleading for Sodom & Gomorrah by Pr Julius Suubi
Abraham prayed for Sodom & Gomorrah but his prayers could not deliver the cities. His prayers alone could not prevent the judgment of God upon the cities. Abraham was not living in Sodom & Gomorrah. The people of the land themselves need to arise to intercede for their own land. Unfortunately, there was no one in the land who took up the burden to pray for their cities and the cities were destroyed.
Application to Malaysia:
Only the prayers of the people in Malaysia can deliver their land. This burden has to be taken up by the Malaysians themselves. They have to arise to pray for their land, cry out to God, influence the people and to tell them that the nation is at an important crossroads. Tell the people that the next 5 years is so very important. They either arise to a very, very powerful revival or slide in the other way.
God's will is for Malaysia to rise up to her destiny (being a "Rainbow Nation") and for a great revival to sweep through this land. Our brothers from other nations are just here to help us "PUSH". They are like "midwives" to help the Malaysian Church push until they see the baby born (the destiny of Malaysia). The Malaysian Church has to pray and intercede to open the heavens over Malaysia. To see revival, we need the heavens to be open. Prayer will open the heavens. The enemy will try to hinder our prayers but we must persevere and pray until we see the revival.
Thanks and God bless
Oh I like the number 7. Heh, TTG brothers and sisters, we have a complete 7 because this is God's number. God and His angels will be in the meeting on 23rd April, 2010. Amen
Much earlier, PG and gang must have thought this AGM must be a real breeze for them, with the "surgically clean" removal (read "deportation from his kingdom") of the 400 plus members from the membership list. Unfortunately, God made it NOT such a pushover ! In fact, God confounded their devilish schemes. PG must now crack his head to devish another new "game plan". Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Let him sweat it out, and it's not even at his classy gym. Wait till we see and hear the real live action when the seven reinstated members take over the mic(rophones), for REAL Q & A, during the AGM ! Beats any "reality shows" ! Especially when the fireworks display come out - in favor of the righteous. Praise God !
GET ALL OTHER 393 MEMBERS to join in as Intervenors in this suit and file a fresh application for Injunction No. 2 to reinstate their membership ASAP.
Meanwhile, who is the High Ct Judge??
All these events confirm this is Spiritual Battle. CC is now experiencing its own.
Onward Christian soldiers ... Forward and onward we all shall march, every step of the way, to the battle front, to tear down the enemy's strongholds, to enter their cities, and to claim our Promised land. With God on our side, we shall. This is our Holy War. In God, we trust.
Keep it up TTG and CT !
Like 300 Spartans
For your info, the Spartan King, King Leonidas led his greatly outnumbered, three hundred of his bravest warriors against the forces of Persian King Xerxes, at the Battle of Thermopylae. This victory at the narrow valley, fronting the sea, is now deemed a very classic military tactical battle mannouvre. May the outnumberred seven be like the brave 300 Spartans, fighting for freedom of their countrymen and women, against the evil forces.
Thank you TTG for all you've done for us all. Your courage and bravery and perseverance have made the way for a new awakening for many churches, Christian leaders and believers across our nation. Our prayer is that you don't lose heart in your love for Jesus. If the Lord says to you to continue to pursue this, then go on. If the Lord says time to let go, then please let go. But no matter what, you are already heroes.
Forget about AOG Malaysia, NECF Malaysia or their overseas bodies that can potentially act like neutral party. They are all part of the SCAM. This judgement is a small pea victory to TTG but to Tan Si(hokkien ..waiting to die) and BOD its just a minor insignificant disruption. So these 7 need to demand a public apology from BOD and Tan Si team or forever be labelled PROUD. TTG now need to win the perception war as the Tan Si and BOD of CC have the MIKE and pulpit propaganda advantage. Here is what you need to do come AGM day. The remaining 393 and others ex-CC church members.....call them from SIB, Grace Assembly, Klang AOG....etc.......yes you guys are quite scattered but never mind. All should come and gather on the CC compound and Pray for 1 hour LOUDLY on that AGM Day. Just one hour to see if Tan Si and BOD can feel the heat from above. Bring loud speaker, tamborine, guitar......I want to see God use small PEA to bring down the Walls of Jericho!! Come prepared, organise snacks, the gathering and relay the inside meeting to the outsiders to hear. Ask Tan Si and BOD to say Sorry to the 7!.....and see how long it takes to apologise. No need to be civil in the meeting. Be like Jesus, turn and throw out the MONEY CHANGER!!
I have known CC had problems 20 years ago....way before Prince had all these titles Dr. Datuk Tan Sri. Who am I to Tell a so called Church on Fire something is wrong. People with gift to see ...Yes Virtually in 3-D, full bodied little evil spirit causing back pain, neck pain, troubling your head, body, eyes......and in the name of Jesus all have departed and gone. Yet Today in 2010 not one of those people who had these gift of seeing such things as SCAM and Deception occuring in front of your lips. I mean building a $150 Million Church Super Mega Structure. For What? What were you thinking?? The Expansion of God's Kingdom Scam? Where in the Bible says that God's Kingdom need to expand?? I am from a school of saying God's Kingdom is complete, just need souls to follow Jesus. Even if the CC Mega building is completed....wait till you get the yearly maintenance Bill. I can start a few more Churches across Malaysia with that maintenance money and give pastor a proper salary as well(like at least $2000 ringgit a month)!! Give a guess what will the maintenance cost be? I will estimate in my next posting!!
I am not here to belittle or undermine any of you but I hope the in coming NEW TEAM will have some thing in place to ENSURE such CORRUPTION do not happen again. Remove all the Arrogance, humble yourself in all you do and stay focus. Be the First Church in Malaysia to Publish all the Salary of Pastor.....or Collectively!! Your point 5 of your injunction was a waste of time. You need to stop all disbursement. Not a cent until the accounts are sorted out. Tan Si and BOD can write 1 million cheques of $4,999.99. Do you see why that was a futile injunction?? I will need to ponder on the injuction and see if or what you should appeal. I will write my thoughts on the injunction maybe before/after the AGM. Meanwhile lets all go for a day of gathering for 1 hour prayer on CC AGM on site. Would be good to see "people power".......to be continued
My take is that the maintenance cost for CCC will about RM500,000.00 per month.
"Round 1 to Concerned Members ... In other words, the Defendants and their lawyer, KK Wong lost ..."
The Plaintiffs asked for 5 injunctions and got none. The judge did however made a concession to allow the 7 Plaintiffs to attend the AGM as members (i.e. reinstate their membership). Well the readers can easily decide whether the above CT's conclusion accurately describe the outcome of the case or not. For me, the answer is no. But this is besides the point - in any legal case, there are really no real winners; in some ways everyone lose.
Dear Equalizer,
Let us remember to humble ourselves under God's mighty hand; in all that we do, to make sure that we acknowledge that Jesus is Lord. Yes, many of us are disappointed with CC and the SP, but let us also love them and do what is right in Agape brotherly love.
The Lord also encourages us to pray in secret (Matthew 6:6) and He will reward us and raise us up in victory. Let us seek God to do what is pleasing that that our action is favorable to God and with men.
Shalom
Hello Anonymous "no real winners..."
How can you say, "in some ways everyone lose."? TTG have nothing to gain in all this, so they really got nothing to lose. Even if TTG "lost" as you see it, TTG people also lost nothing because they did not go to court to win anything for themselves anyway.
But I heard that PG thought that his top notch lawyer can give him sure win, that's why he is not interested in talking to the TTG or other christian mediators.
If PG is not expecting SURE WIN case, why he waste time going to court. Cheaper & faster to just talk to TTG to settle out of court.
My understanding is : NOW PG GOT 7 "THORNS" IN HIS FLESH THAT WILL STICK TO HIM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. Sacking anyone of them again will be deem as contempt of court's decision.
Even if you think that PG won in this case since TTG did not get what they want but let me tell you - PG & DEACONS OF CC HAVE JUST LOST THEIR FREEDOM TO HAVE QUESTIONLESS AGMs.
concern member:
Thank GOD for our chosen 7 plantiffs soldiers for your perseverence and love of our Messiah. "In his heart a man plans his course but the Lord determines his steps." prv 16:9
Will continue to pray for GOD's
wisdom prudence upon you all on
23rd agm. Glory to GOD!
Even if PG and BOD think that they managed to overcome the four other prayers in the injunction, but in the sight of God it is NO WIN for them at all. It just shows that they have been stubborn and arrogant and did not respond in godly behaviour and conduct.
PG and BOD are all out to save their own skins and faces even when they know that they are not doing what is right. They are worst than secular practitioners.
PG and BOD will do what you want to sweep away all opposition at AGM and in CC affairs so that they have a free hand to do what they desire, instead of being transperant and righteous in the running of CC.
BUT we know that GOD is watching and our prayers are not in vain. There is an appointed time that evil will be brought to an end. Though it may tarry, it will surely come to past.
Let's wait upon the Lord for His ultimate plan to unfold....
WE BE THERE! HE CAN CHEAT , LIE AND DO ALL THE TRICKS OF THE DEVIL...WE BE THERE!
WE WILL BRING OUR VIDEO CAMERA AND DO INTERVIEWS ...WE WILL PUT INTO UTUBE, CDS AND DISTRIBUTE ..WE WILL BE THERE!
All is NOT lost for the 400 Calvarites who have been put into "twilight zone" by PG & BOD.
The BOD have used a clause (non-attendance at CC for 3 consecutive months) from the CC Constitution which they themselves have amended at the 1993 AGM to the cuurent clause (non-attendance at 3 consecutive CC AGMs/EGMs) which was minuted in the 1994 Annual Report by the then Church Secretary, PW (the deacon who was booted out by the CC members last year but then appointed by PG as the Head of Membership affairs).
For PG, APs, BOD & PW to have the audacity to used an outdated clause to reclassified the 400 members defies logic BUT it just goes to show that they all have no more Christian love in them as they would do any & every thing just to stay in power.
Since their action is ultra vires (goes against) the CC Constitution, the 400 Calvarites should just TURN UP in force for the AGM on Fri 23rd Apr with a copy of the latest CC Constitution & a copy of the 1994 Annual Report which minuted the amendment to "non-attendance at 3 consecutive AGMs/EGMs" to EXPOSE the FRAUD committed by PG, BOD & PW.
Stand UP, Stand Up & March On for Jesus; March Right into CC Santuary.
PG, BOD & PW have no legal nor Christian right to stop you from attending the AGM. Even if they should physically stop you, the 400 Calvarites can do a PRAYER WALK by marching round CC for 7 times to bring down PG's & BOD's walls of Jericho.
Meanwhile, at the AGM, the "Magnificent Seven" & other like-minded Calvarites should move an urgent motion of "NO CONFIDENCE" in the BOD who have shown their incompetence in using an out-dated clause to reclassify the 400 Calvarites.
Its not easy to get well organised and co-operation of 400 members to stand up & march into CC santuary. I as an ex-calvarite had went & supported CT in their handling of memorandum to SP and found not that many were there. It needs to be well planned.
In regards to the court judgement recently, its very difficult to fight and argue a case before a judge who does not understand what spiritual righteousness is all about. Pastors of CC & BOD who had twisted and lied had commited spiritual crimes in church. How does a judge who is totally not able to understand all these injustices happening in a church deliver a just verdict.
Worshipper for 25 years say ...
Let's keep our focus on the main issues at hand.
Let's Fast and Pray for
1)the Originating Summons which is to declare last year's AGM null and void,
2)for the membership list as at June 2009 to remain status quo ,
3)and for reconvening of a fresh AGM to consider the 7 proposed resolutions, which is fixed for hearing on 24 May 20.
Pray and Believe in your hearts that " if and when the Plaintiffs win the Originating Summons case later,she ( the Judge) will allow the Plaintiffs the remedy of damages for decisions and transactions approved by the Defendants during the period of the legal suit. Please stay focus on these main issues as we are facing a Spiritual battle ahead of us! Remember also to bless your enemies & forgive them of their trepasses ...! AMEN
Have anyone check out the Stipend in the AGM report?It is RM2.3million per annum......how many workers are there in CC?and the EPF does not add up.......
Hi Concerned Members
would like to dedicate Psalm 75.
Psalm 75:1 We give thanks to you, O God, we give thanks; for your Name is near; men tell of your wonderful deeds.
verse 2 You say, "I choose the appointed time; it is I who judge uprightly.
verse 3 When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm.
Verse 4 To the arrogant I say ' Boast no more, and to the wicked, 'Do not lift up your horns.
Verse 5 Do not lift up your horns against heaven; do not speak with outstretched neck.
Verse 6 No one from the east or the west or from the desert can exalt a man.
verse 7 But it is God who judges; He brings one down, he exalts another
verse 8................
verse 9................
verse 10 I will cut off the horns of all the wicked, but the horns of the righteous will be lifted up.
through the NIV Study Bible's footnote, it explained that this is a song of reassurance when arrogant worldly powers threaten ...
( thru the footnote) In Psalm 75:2-5 A reassuring word from above: God will not fail to call the arrogant to account. Verse 2 God will not fail to judge -- but in his own time. ( Do also refer to Ps 57, Ps 58 and Ps 59 as per NIV reference)
Finally, this is the second time the Lord had revealed the above to me since..
While Calvary church was boasting about the judgement yesterday during the Sunday service in the announcement..we pray God's righteousness will continue to prevail and purge all unrighteousness in His house of worship, may the Lord bless the reading of His word. amen
"But let him who glorieth glory in this,
that he understandeth and knoweth me,
that I am the Lord which exercise
lovingkindness,
judgment,
and righteousness,
in the earth:
for in these things I delight…” (Jeremiah 9:24).
Anonymous,
Come across an interesting article on church abuse of funds that is so similar to CC. Should read this, and I also hope those who are still supporting the CC leadership to read this article as well. Click to..
In God's Hands or the Pastor's ? by Baird Helgeson and Michelle Bearden.
Psalm 62:8-12
v8 "Trust in Him at all times, you people:
Pour out your heart before Him;
God is a refuge for us.
v9 Surely men of low degree are a vapour,
Men of high degree are a lie;
If they are weighed on the scales,
They are altogether lighter than vapour.
v 10 Do not trust in oppression,
Nor vainly hope in robbery;
If riches increase,
Do not set your heart on them.
v11 God has spoken once,
Twice I have heard this;
That power belongs to GOD.
v 12 Also to You, O Lord, belongs mercy:
For you render to each one according to His work."
Praise God that we have a righteous and merciful God who is our Rock of refuge.. He is our defense and we shall not be greatly moved. Power belongs to God and no one can thwart His plans.
God is a righteous and holy God and He sees all that is happening in CC. He will execute justice and equity in His time.
I have been attending CC for over 26 years and a voting member. If this continues, I will call it the church that I ‘used to’ attend……I have seen CC grown and now I am watching it crumble. This saddens not only me but the many that are hurting on the inside (CC congregation). A member even just shows his face for the sake of attendance (for fear of getting delisted from a voting member to associate member for the coming AGM) and after about 1 hour leaves CC and attend another church even tho late but says better get half of the sermon then getting a full sermon from a person that is a hypocrite. I have seen the good and bad days of this church but now it is the ultimate worst of all. CC is literally falling apart in front of our eyes and the public’s. This is because of 1 leader (SP) and his followers (BOD)’. If I were SP, I would do the right thing by stepping down because many have fallen, falling and will fall. Why cause all the hurt and heartache to the CC members, retire early and let God take over instead of making the devil rejoice to see that Christians are fighting and arguing between themselves (soon, and I pray it will never happen, someone’s going to pay big time. How? That I leave it to God to take over). Let CCC be something that brings out the good and not the bad (memories). It will only be completed if all of us are in good terms…..I am sure that it will be completed by next year end (if all goes well-internally and externally). God is Jehovah Jireh the God who provides, it is his house, let us call it ‘home sweet home’. If it is not the will of God then it will die a natural death……sell the land and move on……have many satellites around KL or even around Malaysia (the harvest are plenty but labourers are few). Spread the gospel to our neighbours (Thailand, Vietnam, China etc) don’t sit in Bukit Jalil and spend millions (and increasing slowly but surely) in 1 place and argue about it, spread the $$ all around us. If it is not Gods will for CCC to continue let it be……move on……
This up coming AGM will determine wether I move on or stay. If I stay I will still Turn Off The Tap. Earlier in this blog there was a member of 20 over year that wrote that he is giving to charity on his own, I have been doing the same. It melts my heart to see smiling faces when I help. Many are giving a second chance this AGM. I have been invited to many different churches around and fine that the pastors, deacons and church workers live like us ordinary members. They don’t drive luxury cars and stay in luxury houses…..many drive old cars and even stay in a rented house.
The future is not mine to determine but GOD
To Anonymous (April 19, 2010 11:15 AM),
I agree with you that the Stipend in the report needs verification. This is a question we should bring up at the AGM. I get worried when I see about half of the extended ministries are headed by Pam and Jim. Isn't there any other worthy people who can manage these ministries in the church? All these extended ministries have their separate stipend. Does it mean that the Directors get separate income from each ministry? I also do not understand why Calvary Relief has FD. Isn't the fund for this ministry supposed to be used up each time it is collected or allocated for that purpose? Then what is "relief" if it is sitting in the bank? Besides, I notice they've stopped supporting prison ministry and only given RM1K+ to homeless. Isn't this relief an important ministry compared to the millions that are poured into Communication, Audio/Visual?
Hi all,
I found the following comments on a local blog :
"datukship is now a cheapest title in town..throw a stone u hit 3 on the roads...what more tan sriship..we have come across another tansri pastor conning members of 150millions in this city.."
PG was so desperate for 'fame', well, he 'got' it.
Jeremiah 17:7-11
v7"Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord,
And whose hope is the Lord.
v8 For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters,
Which spreads its roots by the river,
And will not fear when the heat comes;
But its leaf will be green,
And will not be anxious in the year of drought,
Nor will cease from yielding fruit.
v9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
v10 I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.
v 11 "As a partridge that broods but does not hatch,
So is he who gets riches, but not by right;
It will leave him in the midst of his days,
And at his end he will be a fool."
We thank God for reminding us that God knows everything in our minds and hearts and He will reward us according to our conduct and intentions...even though we see no remorse and repentance in PG and BOD and instead they are becoming more and more arrogant, it does not mean that God is not doing anything. God searches their hearts and tests their minds and will give them what they deserve...
God has a perfect plan and we have to persevere and pray, and act when He speaks to us. At the same time we believe God's judgment will come.
God's Word is very clear: riches that is unjustly obtained will fly away from the person and "at his end he will be a fool".
Hello Anon comment on Stipend.
You left out Stipend paid under Extended Ministries & Missions Dept
Church main report Stipend is RM2,309,455.
Extended Ministries report on Stipend total up to RM970,430.
Two add up to an actual Stipend or salary paid to church staff is RM3,279,885.
This figure does not include Stipend paid under Missions Report. Missions report put as, Personnel - RM584,366
This figure does not include EPF & Socso & staff welfare.
Actual cost to maintain the staff of around 60 heads is close to RM4 MILLION a year. From what I know, most of the admin staff don't earn much. So who is taking back the fat salary??????
Anonymous April 20, 2010 11:40am
You represent most of my feelings and thought. 25 years had past.
I am heart sicked to know some members even asking the others who disagree to leave CC.
The church split, the Love leaves, where is Jesus? Isn't He amongst us.
Even with the limited details provided in the extended ministries reports, it is not difficult
to spot irregularities in practices/recording of transactions. Not sure why the External Auditor did not question.
Isn't the church should be stricter than the world in our conduct and accountability?
Have mercy on us Lord. Have mercy.
what do we have today ? a wounded church of suspicions, fears and alienations..just has sp claimed to bulid this church..like wise, he destroyed it! we have a wounded church, fractured , members divided...families dont go out anymore..kids are pulled back..all at whose expenses?
as a self proclaimed annointed man of god..would these be signs of decay...too long in the same position..one get too comfortable..he become the system himself.
as we see in this country we laughed at ibrahim ali, noordin zul and these politicians.aren t these people not among our midst.the difference is we quote more bible verses. suddenly we become speakers and over night peace makers?
for sp , would it be difficult to take leave and let the members sit down n find amicable solution or you have too much dirt to cover?
i am not against sp , but i am definately against division of families allienation for the price of 1 man..sp himself
who is more right ? leave it to history .? you are mortal like anyone else.
if one disagree he must be given an audience to express, dialogue debate it not just ask him..go away .isnt that hiding and supression ?
agreed genesis . all these yrs we been passive and left our brains at the car boot..we been put caged with this sheperd stories ..be nice be good give give dont ask dont discuss until the big money was quietly siphoned off. only bro lam n few stood up ..and the whole church is awakened ! every sunday we wil go church n mark our attendence and we record it .half way we will leave to join another church ..u may be wondering ..why all these hassel?
just leave .
no..we aint allowing our hard earned money saved given to a con man and group of con artist.
turn off the tap!
Calvary heeds govt's call to become high income nation. it all has to start at the church.
$3.5 million / 60 staffs / 12 mths =
$4,800 per month average per person = High Income Church.
how many malaysians can really earn this monthly income?
TIME TO QUESTION IT IN THE COMING AGM
I am not for huge salaries for pastors but when the dust has settled, and CC is back on the right track, please don't allow the financial scandal backlash to penalize the new pastoral and admin staff.
A labourer is worth of his wages. Please don't allow the new church leadership to fall into the opposite trap of muzzling the ox that is doing hard work.
Still praying for CC!
Just received news that the AGM tomorrow is postponed. no reasons given yet...
I feel sad and i feel like crying...
In fact, i am crying now...
This is not the first time i witness this sort of happening in church...
Can we actually blame those who dont attend church anymore?
Sigh! Sigh! Sigh!
p/s My brother said pastors are bluffing people in church when he sees all this... Can i blame him?
agm postpond? they just cannot on and off as they like ..we are 5 families fully mobilized for it..unless there is small announcement sp be arrested charged in court or he retire..that doesnt mean the money we entrusted to him and his deacons be just forgotten..
Regarding stipend/salary paid, it was correctly pointed out that adding the main church accounts and that of the extended ministries the total comes to around RM3.27m - however I don't think the item under Missions of RM584k can be included into the total as this amount merely shows how much funds are channeled (from Missions) for personnel and these will show up as part and parcel of the stipend/salary in the Extended Ministries.
I don't know how many staff/employees are there - someone mentioned 60. Remember that the number of staff/employees under some Extended Ministries can add up to perhaps a significant number - for example, CERC, CLM and CalvaryLand. These should also be added to the total from the "church" proper.
Like I mentioned, got no idea what the total is like but let say it is 80, could be higher (i/o of 60), and staff/employees do get paid some "bonus" at the end of the year (let's put that at say 1.5 months i/o the usual 2 mmonths) the average figure would work to be:
RM3.27m / 13.5 mths/ 80 staff = RM3,027/- per month.
Well, I guess it is what you think - is the average of RM3k per month considered "high income church"; "medium income church" or "reasonable income church"? Looks like it is reasonable. However how this is spread-out is a different matter in that some may be paid RM2k per month while others much higher than RM3k.
i have no squalms on paying more or even above market rate for the staff and workers...we understand man shall not live by just bible verses.
what is more concern is discreet spending by sp and his own "loyalist" ? we have no access to these detailed expenses ? what about those private donation. love offerings , funeral and other attendence? these are deemed personal entitlement?
when one travel business class. one tend to be business like ..corporate branded with certain prestige spending .what more about a tan sri ship? i doubt thegovernement would award some one with low class brand. where does sp get that money to act like one , live like one?
are we giving from our saving just for 1 mega church, branded christianity?when we would have brought a bit better for ourselves and our families?
its our money hard earned ..we gave in TRUST.
today will all these evidences and mass sacking.it point to more of a COVER UP?
IS IT SO?
WE, TURN OFF THE TAP
i got an email from sis Fong Ling,
"Dear Members of Calvary Church,
Please be informed that our Stewardship Day (Annual General Meeting) scheduled today, April 23, has been postponed to a later date.
We encourage you to attend this evening’s Friday Prayer Meeting at 7.30pm at Calvary Church Damansara Heights where we will also explain the reason for the postponement.
Kindly ignore this message if you have been informed."
i am a little bit concern about the 'explanation' part.
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