Saturday, March 6, 2010

PG goes berserk: Witch-Hunt Part 2

In a desperate attempt to cling on to power and his fat paycheck with perks only enjoyed by top corporate executives, Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG) has gone berserk and embarked on a massive witch-hunt and removed more than 350 church members from the membership rolls with the biggest casualties, being the voting members.

The new membership rolls were put up on the Damansara Heights Church notice board yesterday together with the Preliminary Notice of the coming AGM to be held on 23 April 2010.

The total number of voting members has dropped from 886 as at June 2009 to only 706 now. Although it is an overall drop of 180 voting members, the actual number of voting members sacked is more than this as during the past year, the Church had been actively giving out voting memberships to new-comers, who previously, would not have qualified to be voting members. The non-voting associate membership has also been slashed down to only 694 from 871 previously representing a termination of 177 associate members.

Most of the members axed were TTG supporters and ordinary concerned members who had questioned the leadership at the last AGM. All the core TTG leaders including the seven who had filed a suit against PG, the Deacons and Assemblies of God Malaysia (AOG) were also axed. None of the sacked members was issued with a show-cause letter or even informed of their dismissal. Such is the high-handed, autocratic style of PG who just refused to accept the fact that members no longer have confidence in him or his leadership.

CT understands that the TTG is planning a large press conference soon to publicize the injustice done to members, the mismanagement of member's offerings and missions-giving and the victimization of the members who had filed or supported the legal suit.

To clarify, the legal suit is a class action representing a group of Calvary members and the sole purpose is to seek the Court's interpretation of our church constitution, to declare the last AGM null and void and to re-convene a fresh AGM so that the members can exercise their constitutional rights to vote on the seven resolutions proposed by some members. The inclusion of AOG as a Defendant in the suit is unfortunate but necessary as Calvary Church was incorporated under the sub-trusteeship of the AOG.

The said legal suit is still pending in the High Court under case management, This is typically a long-drawn process where all the parties continuously submit their claims, replies, affidavits and affidavits-in-reply. After all these is done with, only then will a proper hearing date be fixed by the Court.

The convening of an AGM next month is in bad taste and a blatant disregard of the court process as the said legal suit to nullify the previous AGM is still pending in the High Court. The decision to sack the 350 members and the seven members/plaintiffs can be deemed as victimization and will certainly be detrimental to their defence. One can only conclude that our Deacons are either simply ignorant and silly or a bunch of recalcitrant, vindictive folks without morals and ethics. The joke of it is that there is a lawyer sitting among them! Or perhaps, it’s a case of ‘Follow the leader’?

Lord, come quickly and put an end to all these nonsense!

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Berita Calvary has just published a Letter bearing a call to pray for Calvary Church from a TTG supporter. Let us unite together to pray and P U S H on.

Click here to read : Let us P U S H
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Here's a Devotion written by David Wilkerson on 8/03/10.
JESUS AND STORMS  
Jesus ordered his disciples into a boat that was headed for a collision. The Bible says he “constrained [them] to get into a ship…” that was headed for troubled waters where it would be tossed about like a bobbing cork. The disciples would be thrust into a mini-Titanic experience—and Jesus knew it all the time.

Where was Jesus?

There was only one lesson for the disciples to learn in this storm—only one!

A simple lesson—not some deep, mystical, earth-shattering one. Jesus simply wanted to be trusted as their Lord in every storm of life. He simply wanted thedisciples to maintain their cheer and confidence even in the blackest hours of trial. That’s all!

Read the whole devotion, click here : JESUS AND STORM 

86 comments:

Ah Lian said...

Heard that 4 out of the 7 Plaintiffs were the ones that were shown the CIM (PG's personal ministry) accounts by the 4 Deacons (PT, ER, PW & SL), in the presence of PO.

In the process of copying the CIM accounts (over 1 & 1/2 hours) in the presence of the 4 Deacons & PO, the 4 worked out that a total sum of RM 1.9m was moved (without the full knowledge of CC's members) from CC's coffers to CIM (i.e. PG) during the period 2002 to 2007.

If these 4 CC members are removed by PG because they were shown the CIM accounts, then PG should also seriously consider removing the 4 Deacons & PO who NOT ONLY showed them the CIM accounts BUT who ACTUALLY allowed them to copy the CIM accounts over a 1 & 1/2 hour whilst they gossiped amongst themselves.

Perhaps that's why PT is not allowed to stand for re-election at the coming AGM. Or is PT not standing for re-election because he is afraid of the same fate as PW who was rejected at the last AGM? All CC members are fully aware that PT was used by PG to "move", on behalf of the BOD, to throw out all the relevant resolutions properly tabled by the TTG.

May God have mercy on CC and on PG, BOD & APs for their devious & ungodly acts thus far.

In support of Press Conference said...

Yes, have a press conference and tell the christian community as well as others that we have a rogue leader in town and beware. PG is definitely running CC like his own Sdn. Bhd. company; he being the CEO, wife & children being the Directors of the company.

What I really don't understand is why the BOD and the current members are still SO BLIND to PG's every cunning and sly actions. Are they really under a "spell"? For example, what actually happened to the CCC project? Did PG, the BOD or the pastors tell the members the truth? Wake up you men & women who proclaim Jesus as your Lord & Saviour.

CT, let us know when the press conference is going to be held and we'll make sure all the sacked members and also members whom have left CC because of PG's actions would attend the pc in full force.

PG, you think you can get away by sacking all the TTG and concern members of CC??? Your time will come and very soon indeed. You may disguise so well before men but God is watching and knows your every move.

"Oh Lord, I pray for truth, transparency and justice to prevail over the issues affecting Calvary Church. I pray that the actions of your enemies and the serpent within your church be revealed. Remove the scales from the eyes of your children that they may see your truth and give them courage to stand up for your truth. That the works and plans of your enemies be stopped and condemned. Cover your children, the TTG and concerned members of CC with the blood of Jesus. Have mercy on us Lord and have Thy own way Lord. In Jesus name I pray, Amen!"

SM said...

Since CC pays PG big bucks as basic salary not counting so many perks like business class plane travel, 5 stars hotels, Jackie chan gym fees etc etc etc, so he should spend his expensive time soul-hunting and not witch-hunting.

Anonymous said...

Worshiper for 25 years says...

PG term as SP ended on 2006 and now he was and still is " AN ILLEGAL Preacher " trepassing the House of The LORD within CC ! This is the main Legal issue? All his actions, appointment of Deacons & elders ,recruiting new members at lightning speed, sacking of CC members are all Null and Void !

So PG has created a MESS for himself and embarrassed himself. PG going berserk and doing Witch-Hunting are quite NORMAL for a desperate Trepasser who chose to cling to Secular Power and Earthly Glory ! PG DARK side is expressing itself for all to see?

Many more Dark Days will befall on CC and CCC ! Delaying tactics to stall legal action to remove him ? Let's pray that the WARTH of God will not FALL on CC on account of PG childish negative stupidity !

One MORE MOVE said...

Of THE SAME VIEW.
I read this comment below which was in response to a church lead by "cult" leader in disguise as "pastor" just like PG in CC. Same Modus Operandi.

I quote:
lisa
04 Nov 2009 5:09p.m.

"2 Corinthians 11 talks about false prophets. You people at destiny need to search the scriptures yourself and not to take everything brian says as gospel. The bible tells us to test what man says and see that it lines up with scripture, and there has been countless things that your false prophet has said that is a total contradiction to the bible. The great comission tell us to go into the world and prach the gospel, oh and that does not mean just brian, but you and I etc. It does not say "build your own kingdom to protect your follwers. There were only two kinds of people in the bible that Jesus got very angry with, those that sold in the temple, and hello, we see that happening all the time as destiny and the second group is the sadduces and pharisees, those that said the right things,looked fancy in their robes of righteousness,these people played the part but their hearts were corrupt, and hello, sounds like your brian. SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELF, DONT LET A DELUDED MAN TELL WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS."

I would like to add, another test is, ask yourself Who must take Centre Stage?: Jesus Christ, of course! But notice in CC, it's always about PG!!!
He stamps his name and mug face everywhere in
any form he can.

We can't 'handle' him, but God will surely flush him out-- in HIS time.

1400 members now. said...

Hey I did a little maths. 706 (vm) + 694 (am) = 1,400.

They sure plan well there is no doubt about it. Even membership no must be rounded up.

Does a church with 1,400 membership qualify to be called a MEGA CHURCH????

Despicable Acts said...

What a real shame that PG, Associate Pastors and BOD have stooped so low as to remove all the opposition they fear will threaten their very existence as leaders of CC.

Where is the fear of God who is all knowing and sees all that is happening behind close doors meetings? Do PG, Associate Pastors and BOD think they can fool God and escape His judgment for the way they run church? They are more concerned about protecting their own positions rather than living the true example as servants of God!

What kind of Christian testimony are they sending to the outside world? Even non believers can see the wrongs taking place in CC and yet PG, Associate Pastors and BOD are adament to carry on with their wrongful acts.

They are even defiant towards the courts and think they can bulldoze their way to create their own kingdom... sadly not God's kingdom as God's presence is not in CC anymore.

What despicable acts from so called "God's servants" in CC...

OPENED EYES said...

END TIMES in CC

As I sat at CC Service today this is the state of it:
1. Environment: They try hard to build “Feel good
factor” (Brand new carpet too.) but evidently,
the Holy Spirit is not present.

2. The only Testimony read out by PG: the type
that CC always use “to encourage your faith”--
Ones hears it all the time : “ God bless this
person with $$$ and she gave…” ( ‘ $$$ ’ the
only form of blessing PG knows & promotes)

3. The message, or rather the great ‘Story telling’
by PG was recycled umpteen times. He made
fun of “come out Lazarus” commanded by
Jesus, and he amused his mostly ignorant
sheep with tasteless joke abt. this miracle of
Jesus.

Spiritual food? No way! just Fantastic
Showmanship & drama & acting skills –so very
polished.

4. PG’s message “ Saved But still Bound’ is
shallow and devoid of substance.
The ‘Egypt’ analogy was as old as his tenure in
CC. Clearly he was talking of himself, just that
he is so hardened in his heart, and sold-out to
his master of the world, he doesn’t know it.

5. “Forgive! Love!..” he charged explosively into
the microphone. I cringed.
The TRUTH is, he & his wife Petrina G treat their
in-laws to this day, with utmost contempt to
put in mildly. PGs are Absolute Hypocrites.

( I still wonder how they could stand up at the pulpit and ‘teach’ without the conscience, or pretend & hid so well from the world about this LIE they live)

The deception is perfect. All the FORM is intact in CC: the “Amens”, the singing & clapping.. even the ‘dress-down’ wow, no neck-ties on all the pastors! to look less intimidating, or perhaps more “Contemporary” ( Do you know they have even named the Sat. 5pm regular Service to “Contemporary Service” (???)

Yes, PGs are imitators of Hollywood and not The Christ, whom Paul has charged believers in Christ to be like Him.

Without a shadow of doubt, PGs have made themselves Cult leaders, which the entire CC ought to revolve around them and yield to their carnal desires of Power and greed.

Ah Beng said...

PG is really a SLY old fox !!!

Last year's AGM set a new CC RECORD for straddling over 2 days, plus the other RECORD of "NO love shown" by the Pastors & Deacons involved in the AGM.

This year's AGM has set another new RECORD as more than 400 members are removed simultaneouly - 200 plus Voting Members & 200 plus Associate Members.

Can anybody check whether this action from PG would get CC (& PG, of course) into the Guinness Book of Records; if not, how about the Malaysian Book of Records?

Being forced to "throw out" the 5 Resolutions at last year's AGM, PG now sacks the 200 Voting Members so that there will be NO members to put up any Resolution & thus NO need to "throw out" any Resolution at this year's AGM.

Question to all "legal eagles" out there - Isn't the action of sacking the Voting Memebrs by PG, a "contempt of court"? The court has yet to to make any decision & PG has already acted "sub judice" to the court.

I pray that the learned judge presiding over the case will be aware of PG's mischievious action & slam him with the necessary punishment.

030710 said...

Dear Opened Eyes,

I pray that God will open all our eyes to see that God is forgiving SP and the leadership of CC. If God has forgiven him even before he has sinned, why are we holding ourselves bondage by still carrying on with our anger and frustration.

Brother/Sister, come, release our anger to God. Let Him come and heal us. Have joy and peace in Jesus' name. I pray for His grace to enable you to forgive.

Let's continue to pray for healing for CC. I pray that you will be healed too. Take care, Christians!

toothpaste test said...

To 030710,

You said, "If God has forgiven him even before he has sinned..." is a lame excuse for us to let PG off the hook. God forgives those who repent of their sins, not those who still continue on sinning and bullying His other children.

Jesus got angry in the temple when He saw people people making money and cheating in God's house.

We have nothing against PG. Most of us don't even know him personally as a person. He is just another preacher on the stage to many of us. He was never our friend for us to be angry with him personally BUT WE DO NOT LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING TO MEMBERS. We cannot allow him to continue to act above the law.

Now he creates his own laws in church and then send people like you to tell us to love and forgive him and just let him continue to sin and hurt people.

Ask him to be a REAL MAN and face the members openly. Put himself up to be voted in again by the members to continue to be the SP of CC.

No he has no guts. Now the whole world knows what he really is made of. A preacher came once and said something like this, "You will know what is inside a man, when he is being squeezed. Just like when you squeeze a tube of toothpaste, toothpaste come out, nothing else." Now PG is being squeezed and we all can see what is coming out of him - NO CHRISTIAN CHARACTER AT ALL.

Sas said...

What Rubbish this whole thing is! I grew up in Calvary and loved it but cannot believe that there are still people there blindly following PG!!

MOURN said...

07 March 2010: BLACK SUNDAY in CC

This "Chopping" of Voting Members & Associate Members decreed by PG,and executed by BOD & Ass. pas, Elders & anyone involved in one way or another is PERSECUTION of the Body of CHRIST.

Faithful Believers including those precious remnants of the PIONEERING members since 1963, were "killed-off", in an all-out effort by PG to silence the voice of the TTG Cause.

While many of these affected Members gathered around the Notice Board shell-shocked, and emotionally wounded, pastors, Deacons and their misled loyalists were seen passing by grinning, smiling.

It is the DARKEST HOUR in the history of CC.

sacked member said...

The Calvary Prayers
( this is for calvary church--from a sacked member )
1."Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." (Lk.23:34)

2. "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mt.27:46)(Mk.15:34)

3."Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." (Lk 23:46)

Humble appeal said...

To all current & "former" members of CC who are reading this blog.

Dear Bros & Sis in Christ, I feel so compelled in my spirit to share and appeal to you not only for your prayers but most importantly for your actions before the Lord, for the predicament and the injustice happening in CC.

I understand that most of you may have moved on and settled down in another church. Some of you may have even taken up membership and serving in your current church. I praise God for that and glad that you've kept your faith in our Lord Jesus despite what PG and gang have done. But sad to say, some have even left the christian faith completely. By the way, did any of the pastors in CC call to find out how is your walk with the Lord, where are you worshiping now etc.?

It is very easy for us to say, "My family and I have moved on and we've settled down in another church and we are happy. What PG and the gang or what CC wants to do is no more our business." At times, I feel that way too. But, don't you think that is being a little selfish? Aren't we supposed to stand up for justice and fight for the victimized. What is going to happen to new members who don't know the real issues being conned into giving, giving and giving?

I strongly believe that we owe it to the Lord to continue to stand up for truth and justice. We need to continue to fight the good fight. Whether at the end of the battle we win or lose, we leave the results to God. But at least when come judgement day, we could stand before the Lord and say, "I've fought a good fight, and I've run the race."

The reasons I'm still supporting what the TTG is doing is for the truth to be revealed and justice restored in CC. How could I allow a rogue leader to continue to lie and manipulate the scriptures for his selfish purposes? As a born again Christian I'm duty bound to stop that. The walls of Jericho was taken down not only by prayers,but by the fact the people of God circled around it (putting actions into their words).

If we can be so concern about justice for our society or country, let us start with our own "home", the church. Don't you think it is so important for churches to show good example? Don't talk about society or the country if we can't even fight for justice in the church.

I humbly appeal to all of you, now is the time to take up your "sword" to fight a good fight for the Lord. Make yourselves available for the press conference which will be organized by TTG. Talk is cheap, visions are free.

Calvarites Beware said...

The Behaviour of Calvary church leaders are worst than the world.

They just terminated your membership if you questioned them about accounts and stood for transparencies. They believe more in power play rather than ministrying to one another.

They don't care how long you have been in the church. They don't care how much you have contributed both time money and talent.

Blind followers are followers of a person and Calvary Church. Not careful, the preaching and teaching are becoming more cultic.

So, my fellow Calvarites, beware of the wronged teaching which can easily seeped into mega church.

Church Asking Too Much said...

2 Sundays ago, an outreach pastor disagreed with his mother church pastor on the teaching in giving and resigned. Some 60% of the congregation left too. He is Andrew Stock of Destiny Church Brisbane and Bishop Brian Tamaki of Destiny Church Auckland - a good friend of Peter Matlock who is a good friend of Prince G.

Watch the news which appeared in NZ TV for few days at:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Destiny-Church-The-footage-they-didnt-want-you-to-see/tabid/367/articleID/144758/Default.aspx

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years says...

".. more than 400 members are removed simultaneouly - 200 plus Voting Members & 200 plus Associate Members." This is called " preemptive strike " to nullify the Court case.It is commonly used in the secular world !
This goes to show that PG being an illegal trepasser has transformed himself to become an uncontrollable MONSTER ? More problems will show its ugly faces and untold negative results will surface later ?

What OPENED EYES said..." They try hard to build “Feel good factor” (Brand new carpet too.) but evidently,the Holy Spirit is not present." tell it all and it deeply frightened me ...!

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Frankly speaking, CC & CCC are beyond salvage legally!

I will still assist & Fast and Pray for TTG's efforts to reform CC in this DARk hours !

SACKED FOR FACTS said...

Church paid for the overseas airfare of PG’s grandchild!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

Church gave a scholarship to PG’s children to study in USA!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

Church paid RM40,000 medical fees for PG’s grandchild!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

PG’s gym membership was paid for by the Church!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

PG has never declared the love offerings he has received!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

Love offering collected for Pas Phil was not given to him!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

PG appraises his own children and the BOD does not know their increments!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

There is poor financial management in church!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

There is a lack of transparency in church!
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

Tsunami funds for victims was in PG personal ministry
But PGnot sacked from Calvary Church

PG was sighted at Sun Complex,
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

PG sacked from Lake Club, (FLASHER????)
But PG not sacked from Calvary Church

Church members wants TRANSPARENCY
SACKED FROM CALVARY CHURCH

Church members wants TRUTH
SACKED FROM CALVARY CHURCH

Church members wants GOOD GOVERNANCE
SACKED FROM CALVARY CHURCH

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years says...

This is the VISION I foreseen! The illegal trepasser according to the Church Handbook since 2006, named PG ,chose the " Wall of Jericho FELL" as its theme in his March - April 2010 of Calvary news! It is affirmed that the " Wall of Jericho Fell " indeed refers to CALVARY CHURCH and CCC .

I am shocked PG has consciously or unconsciously painted his own destruction for Calvary Church.

Those with the Gift of Discernment will know the inevitable is here to stay !

Remember, be angry but do not SIN!

On the positive note, Our Father God is Watching over us ! Take heart and be of Good Cheers!

SACKED FOR FACTS Part 2 said...

SACKED FOR FACTS should be in the main posting!

LIFE INSURANCE said...

oh my GOd, another again! such person been expose, his work of error and his act on misuse of God's people and resources will be answerable.
Shame on him. i hate such man.
better for him never born.

if i love children, i hate abortion.

False prophets, False teachers and rogue leaders will surely crumble said...

Anonymous 11.55pm March 8:

Do you think the choosing of the theme is by coincidence or God-incidence? Remember, our Lord is always in control.

You are right that the Lord's church is here to stay BUT the false prophets, false teachers and rogue leaders will all crumble down like the walls of Jericho.

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years says...

Can someone post the Police Report which is a Public Document lodged in 2009 against this illegal Trepasser named PG ? Please specify where the report was lodged, which named Police Inspector recorded the ststement of the maker of the report? I wish to study the case and maybe discuss with a criminal lawyer for his submission and further action. With due respect, please separate feelings, emotions etc from this case of Criminal Breach of Trust? I need your TTG and 400+ removed members' sanction & approval to even consider fast and praying on this perspective under the PENAL CODE! I wish to trace whether the IP has been referred to secular AG yet?

I just cannot let one illegal trespasser according to the Church handbook since 2006, to run wild and execute judgements on the Body of CHRIST. Inaction is a SIN in JAMES !

I hope the PG famous church appointed lawyer will exercise due diligence & adopt Fair Play using EVEN Level Playing Field ?

What the LORD GOD GIVES and Bought by CHRIST who Died on the CROSS at Calvary, NO ONE Human being is empowered & allowed to remove Memberships of HIS Children under the "disguise of Privileges "!

PG's DREAMS of retiring under Calvary International Ministries(CIM), his Private Personal Ministry was shattered because he had to refund the RM1.9 million monies to the CC MISSION Fund. PG's Feelings , emotions, overseas's egos were badly dented & hurt. For PG to turn his human ANGER against all affected Voting members and Associate members are Eternally WRONG ! I will say no more !

I sincerely urge PG and unconstitutionally formed Decons, elders, leaders to reinstate all members to their original status.
Due process of the COURT should be respected !

REMEMBER, be angry but DO NOT SIN !

Will King SOLOMON pronounced judgements like what PG did ? Will King SOLOMON cut the baby in two ?

Hearing from horse's mouth said...

Hearing from horse's mouth:

1. One of the very recent invited speakers to CC said, "your prosperity depends on the building (CCC)". Oh Lord have mercy. How could he manipulate God's word and since when our prosperity depended on a building such as CCC?

2. One of the very pro PG calvarites said to a TTG supporter last Sunday, "since you have defiled my pastor, our relationship as brothers have severed." Woh! Since when our relationship as brethren is because of a pastor/person other than our Lord Jesus Christ?

I get goose bumps when I heard the two statements above. My only comments are no.1 prosperity gospel (totally out of the true meaning of scriptures) and no.2 very cultic.

Scary... very scary indeed!

sacked member said...

Hello anonymous on mar 9, 1:25pm

I support your call..sacked member

Anonymous N said...

I'm wondering whether i was sacked from membership..as i don't show my support on TTG very obvious.. I assume those hundreds who PG sacked doesn't include me n therefore i assume that the real number of TTG supporter is even more than we could imagine, which in other word, the number of member who support PG is actually less than 1400(like what our brothers calculated)..if any legal action doesn't take place asap, i worry that at the end of the day when PG finnaly step down there's only some members n new members left. CC is gonna heading somewhere dangerous.

How sad. said...

About 40 years ago, I raised my hand in Calvary Church so that he can be our pastor. Now he raises his hand to ask me to get out of the church. What an irony.

Fear Not... said...

*The CUNNING, RUTHLESS & WICKED

The arbitrary removal of VM & AM simply underscore the *CRW type of "pastors", "deacons" & "elders" in CC.

They can giggle, smile and laugh, even rejoice at the 'master stroke' they dealt on the struck-out Members
for now.. but they'd better remember & Tremble at the Righteous anger of Jesus in the Temple.

NO WAY said...

Can TRUTH ever be Hidden ?

From the latest action of PG, he obviously believes truth can be hidden. How tragic for him!

So, he get rid of those who pursue the TTG Cause,
thinking there will be no one left to speak-out on the issues of oppression, mismanagement, abuse of power, failed calvary land, CCC's debacle etc...
& congratulating himself for the smart move --silencing of the "lambs" once and for all. Perhaps.

Has he forgotten, THE Lamb of God who is all knowing, and all powerful?
Can PG hid, or go scott-free?

wong said...

those sacked shpuld apply for a court injuction immediately the more legal suits on pg that will wear him out..same time..show his credibility ...u cant be sitting on yr bible n just pray..if it is god will he be around..then its god will..since all these happening explosive scandals has surface we should rope n pool our resources right now..i be one of them

My name is not there said...

I just called and found out that my name is actually on a list called "inactive members". Got such thing ah? Can anyone confirm?

How can they downgrade me to "inactive members" jsut because I choose to visit another church for a while??

What's the justification? I cannot visit other churches is it???

HIGH ALERT said...

IN THEIR DARK ELEMENT AGAIN!

Not surprising they CREATED "Inactive Members" category when you consider PG believes he is 'god' of CC!
Don't you Remember his very own creations of CIM, and the EXTENDED Ministries, etc. ( PG's cover is already blown-up, thank God.)

Make no mistake, PG & his MINIONS are building the PG's kingdom with CCC as their HQ. ( in their dreams. Or is it 'vision'?)

JESUS WEPT said...

PG seen in Sun Complex,
JESUS WEPT

PG flashed himself in Lake Club,
JESUS WEPT

PG used church money for his dog food,
JESUS WEPT

PG changed church constitution,
JESUS WEPT

PG does not practice TRANSPARENCY,
JESUS WEPT

PG does not reveal the TRUTH,
JESUS WEPT

PG transfered money to his personal ministry,
JESUS WEPT

PG engaged freemason architect for Calvary Convention Centre,
JESUS WEPT

PG lied about his Volvo XC90,
JESUS WEPT

PG registered church book store in his wife's name
JESUS WEPT

PG did not show extended ministries accounts to members,
JESUS WEPT

PG raided by IRD,
JESUS WEPT

PG sacked Dr.Lum for speaking the truth
JESUS WEPT

PG conducted 1st witch hunt
JESUS WEPT

PG conducted 2nd witch hunt
JESUS WEPT

PG sacked concerned members from Calvary Church membership
JESUS WEPT

PG removed my name after more than 30 years in CC, I wept and
JESUS WEPT too.

ex-long time member said...

My heart is broken too.....I was also one of those who voted for a laid-back Klang pastor PG
based on his sermon at CC's evening service to be pastor of CC. I have also been axed!!! This despite the fact that he is just an employed pastor. Members have a right to AXE him and not the other way round. What an irony!!!!

I understand that we are axed because we do not attend CC services or be involved actively.....how can this be when so many of us who served are axed just because we believe and seek for truth, transparency and good governance to be implemented in the running of our church.

Join me in this simple prayer
LORD YOU HAVE SEEN THE SHEEP HURTING, PLEASE SEND US A NEW SHEPHERD WHO SHOWS LOVE AND MERCY.

How sad said...

Yah, how sad. When Pastor Jones asked us if we wanted him to be our church pastor after his preaching at an evening service about 40 years ago, we all raised our hands to agree. Actually the church constitution at that time was that the church pastor's term is subjected to be reviewed and agreed by the church members once every two years but the constitution has been changed such that the senior pastor has no retirement age. This is really well planned long long long time ago. If he is not a genius, I dont know what he is.

Give wisely said...

Agree with "hearing fr horse's mouth" people in cc are becoming very scary. I know someone who even cut ties with family members because of this. Don't know why the APs, leaders and worshippers take this issue so personally? This whole thing is not even about them or against them?

Anyway, that visiting preacher sure is wrong. Many of us are very blessed by God and many are very prosperous still even without giving to ccc one sen. God prosper us because we give to the poor and not to a building.

On 2nd thought, he may be speaking to PG and family. Their prosperity really depends on ccc. Not ours!!!

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years says...

This illegal trepasser named PG "employed as a servant and being in any manner entrusted in such capacity with" had committed an offence under section 408 of the PENAL CODE. "If AG decide to press charges",an Arrest Warrant issued by the KL Session Court may be on the way ? Let the Rule of Law take its course?

Returning the Rm1.9 million is only a pleading mitigating factor for a lesser sentence!

Will the "Wall of Jericho fall " as envisaged in the Calvary News ?

Anonymous said...

Those who are axed, do not weep, but rejoice in the Lord. PG & the Gang are just piling hot coals on their own heads. Every action they take only reveal their true colours to the public. Those who are still in doubt on who's right will eventually see the truth from their actions. They have breached the very fundamental aspects of Christian living. LOVE! HUMILITY! TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!

This is their greatest DOWNFALL.

Anonymous said...

Prince Guneratnam is symptomatic of the malaise afflicting many Malaysian churches. After all, this man is still the Advisor to the NECF. If the NECF condones Prince Guneratnam's strong-arm tactics, this can only mean similar shenanigans are going on elsewhere. Christians should clean up their churches first before even thinking of engaging the government of the day.

In fact, the rot is so deep here that many ponder over this injuction in the Book of Revelations (18:4): "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues.

Don't you all think that this saga has been prolonged to teach us Christians something important? PG is not the only pastor lording over his flock.

The first sin recorded was one of power struggle.

And remember one thing: When and if PG falls, the knives will be out and wielded by those who sang his praises yesterday and those who do so even today.

Bible Reader said...

Referring to the "P U S H" article on Ezekiel and in chapter 34:1-22 talked about the shepherd and sheep.

From the reading, the Sovereign Lord said in v10 "I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock. I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves."

I wonder is this the sign and time that God is going to remove PG?

Reading and understanding on verse 1-22 is in fact both serious warning to the Shepherds and offering of love and care to the sheep.

Witch Hunting Again said...

Hi everybody

just discovered something yesterday.
An ex life group member of mine (a calvarite) who has been attending another church just discovered that her name is still on the Associate Members list. It is obvious that this member has already left the church many years but her name is still there. So PG is definitely sacking members so that he can rule CC!!!!! WITCH HUNTING AGAIN!!!!!!

Can NECF help? said...

Does anyone know what input does NECF have in this matter?
Perhaps they could help?

Anonymous said...

Ex-Calvarite said...

I agreed with Witch Hunting Again on Mar 11, 2.49pm.

Two of us from the same life group left Calvary Church the same time but my voting member was terminated but not my other cell group member. This is because I did voice up that I am not happy with SP way of treating the church members as well as showing off himself like a CEO of the church with my life group leader. I believe that our life group leader who is pro SP might have voice it out during the meeting, therefore, my membership is terminated. However, even after I'm no longer a member, I still receive letters from church asking me to contribute to CCC and other area.

Prayer Seeker said...

A prayer for God, the supreme Judge, to set right the affairs of men, judging those rulers who corrupt justice, and championing the cause of the righteous... this prayer is for calvary Church from Psalms 58:1-11


1. Do you rulers indeed speak justly? do you judge uprightly among men?

2. No, in your heart you devise injustice and your hands mete out violence on earth..

( Please read further on v3...and etc.

Finally V11.Then men will say, " surely the righteous still are rewarded; surely there is a God who judges the earth."

Amen

EVIDENTLY said...

PG's $$$ Kingdom:PROVEN BEYOND ANY SHADOW of DOUBT

Re:Anonymous said...(March 12, 2010 10:11 AM)Ex-Calvarite said...

"... However, even after I'm no longer a member, I still receive letters from church asking me to contribute to CCC and other area."

No surprise! the Truth is: PG & his Minions are absolutely not Interested in the member's per se, EXCEPT for the $$$.

Here are the PROOF:
1. ALL programmes & event are focussed/targeted on raising$$$.

2. Every "Sermon" ( more like Sales pitch) always lead to asking for $$$ in various ways.

3. Members who are "seen" better off/ or to be 'somebody' gets special attention, favour & oh yes, Membership Privileges.

i) Examine the VM & AM Roll list. (the Tan Sri ,Rich & Somebody gets listed even though they would have been disqualified by the "Criteria" PG uses.

ii) those "PRE-Qualified" and 'hand picked' to serve

An exception will be those ( BOD, Ass.Pas, & members who pride themselves as " PG's Die hard" & have sworn allegiance to him alone! ) this group, may not give money, but will be his "Ears & Eyes" + Mouth Piece in CC. They will carry out every decree he pronounces--e.g. Close down Life Groups, any Ministries and Shut-out Vocal members deem to be in his way.

4. Read all the Official Publications produce by them. It's has $$$ all over it.

5. Testimonies on all occasions are just about $$$

6. When they 'call upon' you --by telephone, or visitation or written 'love' note on the pre-text to find out how you are doing--their real concern is "DO you still tithe, give$$$ to CCC, PG & his coffers. As long as you do, all is fine.( whether you are dead or alive, they don't care)

Well, they deceive themselves thinking those who see through them are a small group whom they can 'DISCARD' from the Members Roll. And they believe a "fool" is born everyday. They just need one big catch and that big fish can feed them another 35 years... (so they still hope for).

Be Warned : Follow PG at your peril.

March 12, 2010 6:01 PM

Do you know? said...

Tortise & the Hare.

So, Patrick Wong (PW) got voted out of BOD by the Members.. is now he is on revenge mode.

PG,is way too sly for his sheep--wielding his power, as SP, he appointed his most trusted Minion PW to be an "Elder"(a joke) (that's how blatant they can get).

PW is now in-charge of Membership ROLL( Brilliant)
No wonder over 400 VM & AM got "killed-off" from the list- he is doing it give glee:) (how dare those Members of TTG CAUSE, voted him out of BOD)

PG is truly master schemer of cunning.

Policy of Back Scratching said...

Some Calvary leaders are ashamed.

Since Prince is ashamed of his doing, he chooses leaders likewise.

Patrick Wong 'kicked out' by voting members at last year AGM, now made an Elder cum Membership Chairman by Prince, 'kicked out' members who voted against him. Look like Prince and all his deacons gave consent to such vengeful act.

Aric Low who 'drafted' the Missions Manual and CIM Manual to give Prince the power over policies and monies was made a candidate by Prince for deacon for this coming AGM.

Can you see 'I scratch your back; you scratch my back' policy in Calvary Church to preserve themselves. Innocent and ignorant worshippers are 'hookwinked'.

On WATCH said...

Only those Pioneering and Seasoned Members know the History of CC--its roots and of course the
'transformation' of PG plus all the ingenious "developments" in the Administration and Ministries he has master minded.

If you care to look back at past issues of AGM, you will find ARIC LOW being Nominated probably half-a doz times but NEVER made it to the BOD.
And now, yet another 'attempt'. He is such a useful tool that PG can't do without. What better timing than now to plant Aric in there-- PG's already cleared the way for him with his own VM list!

Then again,it's a "willing seller& willing buyer" pact.
The two new nominees are themselves coveting for the position of "Deacon" for some 'status' standing too. Look at the Photos of Nominees' happy faces featured in the Newsletter--gets bigger by the year!

So," I scratch my back-you scratch mine" is the order of the day within the PG's circle of so called "leadership"

Another trait they have in common is being "thick-skin". So, it works well for them.

Open your eyes wide to see. 21 Apr. 2010.
It will be significant.




.

USA concerned christian said...

---a message from USA---

philippians 3:14

i press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Dear Hello to members of Calvary, Msia

15. all f us who are mature should take such a view of things. and on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

16. only let us live up to what we have already attained.

17. join with others in following my example, brothers, take note of those who live according to the pattern we gave you.

God bless concerned members

GRIEVING HEART said...

SON TURNED AWAY.

At the 2009 AGM, our adult son, who had attended CC since Birth, was baptised in CC, and had served in Ministry, was turned away at the AGM-- being told curtly "your name is not the list"! He had received NO notice of it, and had been a AM all the years.

He came by home this morning, and lamented, having full knowledge of the latest victimisation of Members--that CC has turned into a "CULT Church"
Then he blurted out "Well, all my life I have attended the church, and they could do that to me..So,..." --a trace of sadness and disappointment in his voice over how CC acted.

It then dawned on me, he had been deeply affected by that incident although he never said so. In short he was "STUMBLED" by the unCHRIST behaviour of pastors and Heads/leaders of ministries alike.

And now, many more of these *'children' (already grown-up) of ours who loved the church are being similarly stumbled by PG, APs and BOD in this latest round of removal from Membership ROLL.

If only one could hear the cries and feel the anguish of these parents whose daughters , sons and loved ones were 'rooted-out' too ( as in the Chinese saying "Cham Cho, Chui Kan"i.e. kill the the entire family/clan) in this 'witch hunt' because the parents had deemed to be TTG Cause sympathizers.

(*In many cases, they are attending & actively serving faithfully in CC. In spite of it, they are not 'SPARED' ! What despicable act is this, but can only be from loveless and rotten leadership.)

I thank GOD, we have in Jesus Christ who is Faithful and Just, and vengeance is His.

My name WAS there! said...

Hey

Did anyone see the announcement on the church website regarding how members are classified? Since when was there an "inactive" members list?

Anyone knows anything?

Anonymous said...

Hey My name WAS there!

Good for you, your name is still there - not that you have any priviledges with that. OK I may sound like a sour grape.

You want to know if anyone knows anything. Well from the ceramah time it is evident that no one knows anything in CC. Not even the leaders themselves. You ask one question to 5 leaders, all 5 will give you a different answer.


In Calvary now, it is SEMUA BOLEH JANJI PG SUKA. There is no rules, no guidelines, NO CONSTITUTION in the church governance anymore. They change, twist and manipulate the CONSTITUTION anytime they want and at their whims and fancies.

The CHURCH CONSTITUTION states that you can be redesignated to AM from VM if you missed 3 AGMs consecutively. But now they twist it to read, if you miss church for 3 months.

Termination of church membership is a disciplinary action, like what they did to DR Lum. There must be a "trial" so to speak. They definately did not have the "trial" sessions with the 400 some members.

Such a blatant conflict of the Church Constitution and by their action they have shown the world that THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

Our Heavenly Father is taking notes of what they have done and what they continue to do. When our God finally arise from His judgement seat - NOT MANY WILL FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.

A special encouragement note to TTG and CT. You have done well by documenting everything here in Calvary Today. Let this blog be open forever and their actions be read by their children and grandchildren for years to come, even if you guys decide to move on.

This is the legacy that PG is leaving behind for his family.

Writing on the wall.. said...

PG is definitely acting in a lawless manner. It is most apparent that he creates his own rules and all the associate Pastors and BOD just toll the line. If anyone tries to express anything contrary to PG's views he or she will certainly be chopped off as proven in recent "Witch hunt".

There is no love and compassion on PG's part and we are not surprised since God's spirit appears to have left him.

PG is not God's shepherd anymore. If PG had sought God's counsel he won't have acted as he did. It is definitely inconsistent conduct and behaviour of a true servant of God. It is lawlessness and ungodliness. Even non believers can see it so why can't PG's followers and sympathizers?

The writing is on the wall... God's spirit is not in PG anymore...CC members and worshippers have better be forewarned as the presence of God has left CC... it is very sad indeed.

genesispassion said...

cut the story and talk short..next phrase pg and gang will classified members under rating by attendence , activities , contributions...no point have 3000 members when 60 % are in name n once a while visitor
as just separate the sheep s from goat...

My name WAS there said...

hi, I was told that there are about 150 of us whose names are officially removed from the list.

But from some of the leaders I spoke to, they claimed that my name is on the "inactive" list.

But you are right, what is so glamorous about the membership thing anyway? Downgrade downgrade lah... remove remove lah.. not that I care...

All the 150 of us can worship God joyfully in other churches where I feel most welcomed.

And I have ex-Calvarites too... Oh God, bless me as I find a new home..

genesispassion said...

my name was there said...that what pg an dgang hope for ..that many like this brother will just walked out thru this will reduce strong inquiry into the financial scams etc..and some of those malpractice.the name game is reduce and create new members to dilute the truth standing fellow bro n sisters..david stood n fought the giant ..he stood .i wish many will not just leave ..give a good fight ..why we have to move home just because someone just moved my names out. WE STILL ARE PHYISICALLY ALIVE...OR WE ARE JUST USING THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO JUMP SHIP?

Shocked said...

Truly shocked and appalled that our shepherd, associate and assistant pastors, deacons and edlers could condone such an act.

Even if the provision to place people on the inactive list is there in the constitution it is no excuse for this action NOW.

There have been a few examples of Calvarites who left the church to worship somewhere for many years but were still VM and even came back to vote at the AGMs?? So after all these years of not invoking this clause why all of a sudden it became active.

It is appalling that Calvary church took the trouble to allocate people to mark people's attendance at all the services, month after month. When after one month they noticed that these people had not come attended services, they continued to monitor their non attendance.

Where is the love and shepherd's heart. Did they visit these people to find out whether they backslided, ill, etc. to find out why they did not come to church. NO, NO they just continue monitoring their non-attendance without giving them a chance to realise that they could be labelled as inactive - THEY JUST STRIKED OFF THEIR NAMES FROM THE ACTIVE LIST!!!

I thought I was taught in the Bible that the Shepherd would go out and seek the lost sheep, locate the lost coin.

Where is the love? Where is the concern?

CC's shepherd, ass. pastors, deacons, elders have LOST THEIR TESTIMONIES AS CHRISTIAN WHO LOVE THE LORD by condoning and supporting this very act.

When their children or loved ones did something they do not like - do they cast them away??

HOW DEEPLY JESUS IS HURT!! HE IS WEEPING!!

BETRAYED said...

PG & His MINIONS Have DES † ROYED Calvary Church

The blood of the sheep are on their hands.

Associate Pastors who “kow-tow” to PG as CEO, and has NO courage& Boldness to stand-up against PG& ‘ELDERS’ & BOD’s onslaught of the members,
means they considered themselves as wage earner-‘Employees of man’,
and NOT as Called Servants of God.
They have indeed DENIED HIM.

Weep for them.

'SIMPLE' Q? said...

A Homemaker asked aloud:

" How's that Patrick Wong who was rejected by the Congregation (i.e. voted out of BOD in 2009) can be made an 'ELDER', which by spiritual standard is superior to BOD's standing?"

"Therefore, how could PG still appoint & alleviate PW to be an 'ELDER' ?"

"Doesn't this showed PG has no regard for the Members say, and that ' absolutely power has corrupted him absolutely'?"

What an enlightenment.

Who can Bear! said...

Once a upon a time..

David Seah, the "shy" guy who hid in the toilet has transformed into a "ruthless" monster who will carried out PG's command without an iota of fear of GOD in him.

Observe him closely, and one will see PG's spirit has entered into him--ambition, power and arrogance.
Even his 'preaching style', mannerism, showmanship ... mirrored PG's.

DS tries to hide, but he covets for position of Sr. Pas. is so obvious. And he is very focussed on it.

DS is identified as PG's current 'Blue-eye' boy who will do anything--yes, anything to please his 'Boss'.
--he is assigned specially to "close down" Life Groups whose leaders are found to be out-of -line in PG's agenda." NO GRACE, NO MERCY,and SO BE IT! " is what he has declared to leaders who tried pleading with him not to order them to go on "Sabbatical" or "Dissolve" or "to Merge"

Don't think many know what is actually taking place--their Devious ways knows no bounds.

Still-in-the -wait ( a VM ) said...

Hey Dear Friends

I had sent an email to the Secretary of the board of deacons with regards to my voting membership status. I have not received any reply from her yet.

However, I am not qualify for the "disqulified" terms and conditions to have my name "vanished" from the list. But, still my name vanished!

Isn't this a process of chasing away the worshiper? Isn't this serious in the eyes of both God and Society at large?

I had been attending calvary church, sometimes missed some weekend services due to either I am traveling or attending some company's function on a weekend. Occasionally visited other church.

I urged those members either VM or AM to write in for an explanation.

Of course, I never received any phone calls from any pastors or deacons all these years for not any single thing..had been in calvary since the 80's..yet I am faithful.

A 'good calvarite' said...

Overheard some conversation as such:

" i thought i am all alone! nobody seemed to bother or care; nobody seemed to be interested or concerned about the church affairs!" Have you such statement before?

Yes.. now many calvarites cared and concerned about the church affairs, many had taken steps and approached the pastors and leaderships, many had gone through 'threatening daily life encounter'; 'threat' and 'insult' from the leadership to either to take leave or sabbatical leaves for one year or resign as cell group leaders, leaders and etc..

Yes, many interlinked their 'family's members misfortune'; their own 'misfortunes' because of speaking up about truth and transparency! many even blamed themselves for the misfortunes that befall them!

Dear calvarites, we had all received so much 'fear and punishment' sermon and teaching from the pulpit and leadership!

Many of us suffered spiritual 'abused' and dark hours! we are wrongly fed!

Itsis time now, we shall ask for Christ and His redeeming blood to deliver us from this 'spiritual bondage' We shall rise and speak up and not be afraid to take necessary and appropriate action which is pleasing to God!

Those who are 'scared', pray and do what you have to do.. our younger ones are the ones who will suffer if calvary continue with all 'unscriptural and unconstitutional practice'.

Anonymous said...

Ex-calvarite,

I had left CC some years ago because I considered the CC pastors are not true servants of God due to doctrinal errors they preached and teached. I spoke to an elder of the membership dept and was told that I need to write in to state the reasons of my leaving. As i thought I am just one unimportant member its not necessary to write in but just leave. However, in the light of the present CC saga, I am so disgusted with the CC pastors that I spoke to the same elder if she had cancelled my name as I do not want my name to be associated with CC. This time she said its not necessary to write as she had already known my intention to leave. I am sure she is lying and had not delete my name from CC. I know I am just one name, but would it be likely that they can cheat by using my name as one of their vote. Just one vote can make a difference in any contest.

The wages of sin ... said...

Today's sermon in the church I'm attending (post-Calvary) is about Peter's denial. The preacher mentioned that both Simon Peter and Judas Iscariot denied Jesus. Peter was remorseful and repentant but Judas was just remorseful. Peter went on to feed His flock. Judas went out and hung himself.

I thought of Prince Guneratnam right away.

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years says...

Has Calvary Church lost her first LOVE ? "Take Heed lest you forget"
Deuteronomy 8

18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

19 If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. 20 Like the nations the LORD destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD your God.

This is the prophecy for Calvary Church !

I am seeking and praying said...

Hello Anonymous Mar 15 12:17am

I happened to be on the book of Deuteronomy 28 yesterday and this morning, it is a chapter on both blessings and curses of God.

It is indeed a serious issue to disobey God. Praise God for your prophecy!

More than Enough said...

MORE "SIGNS"?

I can't help but compare the *followers & supporters of PG to that of the Pharasies in the Bible, who in-spite of the Signs (Miracles) Jesus had performed, they kept demanding for "proof" He is the Messiah.

And in the *former, they do the same to the concerned members of the TTG Cause--demanding "proofs" when they are all PROVEN out there (and Documented here in CT) that PG is the 'mastermind' of the ATROCITIES in CC.

BE BOLD said...

NEVER EVER "WALK AWAY"...

This is the most critical time to show and prove in *ACTION you will confront unrighteous ways of PG and those behind with him, by staying on to fight the 'good fight'.

*1. write in to PG/BOD for the Membership of those
removed arbitrarily by them with ill-intent, to be 'restored'.and if you are the Victim, ought to do so all the more. Don't allow them to ride rough-shot
over Members.

2. Be present at the Submission of the MEMORANDUM to CC, which CT has informed will take place.

3. Make a special effort to disseminate all these info to everyone you know in CC. ( apparently, many still do NOT know their names have been "obliterated"/ "blotted"! from the VM /AM list.

Be counted for the Righteousness sake.

FOR HIS GLORY said...

God mocks man’s power.
He laughs at our egotistical efforts at being good.
He never uses the high and mighty but, instead,
uses the weak things of this world to confound the wise.

“For ye see your calling,brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the
foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak
things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And the base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and
things which are not…

that no flesh should glory in his presence” (1 Corinthians 1:26-29).

Anonymous N said...

Frankly spoken, i would rather my name to be removed so that they can't use my name as silent vote..

ARISE & ACT said...

TAMPERED MEMBERSHIP ROLL &
TOTALITARIAN RULE in CC.


From what I gathered and also, was told from the testimonies by all and sundries, the Membership Roll 2010 is highly Questionable:

1. VM & AM names are arbitrary entered or deleted
at their whims & fancy.
(disregarding the criteria and due process in the
church Constitution )

"INactive" Category was never made known to Members. Its existence unknown. It is conveniently created to rid members who stand-up for righteousness.

2. All removed VM & AM are shell-shocked. No
warning. No body--not Deacons, Assoc, pas.
PGs, Elders or Heads has spoken to the
faithful VM &AM. It was a deliberate use of an
element of 'Surprise" tactic.

3. Victimized VM &AM who wrote to seek
clarification were given the run-around--
passing the buck from BOD to ASSoc Past. to
ELDER to Membership Dept(?!)

4. Incomprehensible & Unjustified reasons for
removal of the affected VM &AM are:
- they did not support PG's "VISION"
-they would not sign on the form to 'swear'
allegiance to PG
- they stop giving $ to CCC
- they are 'sympathisers' of TTG Cause
- they did not denounce TTG Cause
-they are related (even remotely) to Concerned
Members who stand-up for the TTG Cause.
- they stood-up and raised questions at the AGM
- they are identified as 'enemies' of PG.

4. New VM & AM who do not qualify are
nevertheless added to boost the numbers and
to ensure 'safe' votes to support PG.

5. PRO PG,VM and AM names are retained even
though they are absent, irregular worshippers

6. Contains Phantom names.

The TOTALITARIAN RULE of PG in CC has to come to an END. We need to rise up to do our part, and God will surely do the rest.

amused said...

dear all, guess what..CC is so desperate to draw back members in til they have no choice but to send spies to other churches to copy what these other churches are doing. They then bring back these ideas to CC and try to launch these ideas as if it was their own ideas! well, you know what they say....imitiation is the sincerest form of flattery! imagine, CC, an ex-'mega church' now have to go to other churches which they looked down on to steal ideas from them!

STUDENT said...

Key Definition of "INACTIVE" Member:
you MUST attend at least 3/4 Sundays in a month,
or give reasons for absent twice!


This is an ABSURD ruling. No where in the world, a church would take 'Attendance' for Sunday worship,
or Impose a nonsensical ruling like this as criteria to 'qualify' for Membership.

A Draconian leadership of PG of the highest order.

Underlining this, showed that they are preoccupied with "form of Religiosity", which is detested by Jesus.
CC leadership's practice, behaviour & attitude completely contradicts what Jesus has taught us in the BIBLE.

SADDEN said...

AMPLE PROOF OF INCONSISTENCIES & IRREGULARITIES WITH ULTERIOR MOTIVE IN THE MEMBERSHIP ROLL 2010.

THEREFORE IT MEANS PG.S , ASSOCIATE PASTORS, BOD & ELDERS ARE DISHONEST & MANIPULATIVE.

I WONDER IF THEY WILL SEARCH & EXAMINE THEIR HEARTS AND STILL BE ABLE TO CONDUCT, SERVE & TAKE HOLY COMMUNION TOGETHER WITH THE CONGREGATION?

A "BRANCH" said...

In Response to "AMUSED"

What you discovered about CC searching for ideas.. simply confirmed PG & his entire team have "LOST IT" totally.

Their "creative' ideas --are nothing but GIMMICKS-e.g. latest naming "CONTEMPORARY Service". They are experts in Activities & Events--which are run to the ground . They believe in PR & Publicity. Worst of all they believe in PG, and PG believes in himself!

However, Jesus has made it clear that we do not have the power to do anything that matters for the kingdom without him:

"…without me you can do nothing" (John 15:5)

A Church Must Have Christ to Be Effective.
So, any wonder for the "desperate" state in CC?

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years says...

This manifestations deeply terrified & frightened me ...!

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

..." Frankly speaking, CC & CCC are beyond REDEMPTION !" ...

It would be foolish to salvage it legally! NO MORE GOD's manifestations in CC ? Many Gifted in the Spirit will leave CC eventually ! Remember what happened when the LORD GOD's anointing was removed from KING SAUL, the earthly king?

Let's FAST & PRAY for a SPIRIT FILLED NEW CHURCH to be build to take in all displaced Calvarites & their Families! It is prophesied that many who had left to worship in other churches will come back to worship in this NEW CHURCH. Many of you Gifted in the SPIRIT will ensure this NEW CHURCH will be even more GLORIOUS in HIS outpouring of HIS BLESSINGS upon this Nation !

We prayed to Heal the Sick in His Name, We prayed to cast out Demons in His Name, We prayed for His Healing to come upon this Nation, and He is always faithful to answer our Prayers !

Please FAST & Pray for a new Senior Pastor to lead this NEW CHURCH to be built right now .

I deeply seek to worship and touch God's Throne in this NEW CHURCH!

Still a VM said...

I gave the benefit of doubt to SP and church leadership at the beginning of this church crisis.
By now, its clear to me that the yeast of Pharisees has worked through CC leadership. SP and BOD acted like any secular organisation whose leadership is under siege. Purge and cleanse any opposition.

CALVARY TODAY said...

These are two Comments which was posted in Berita Calvary, which gives us an understanding as to how some AG pastors are reacting to the Calvary Saga, in case you have not read BC.
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Anonymous said...
I worship at an AOG church but besides contributing financially
(I really dont want to offend God in financial matters),I tend to stay in the background as I have no particular gifting.Last 2 Sundays a strange event happened in our church.During the preaching,the Pastor suddenly started to blast Calvary Today Blog and stated,in an unusually high pitch, that those bloggers have gone astray after Satan.And he started to pray against those instruments of Satan and urged all the church to stand against those demonic forces .His last warning was quite comical, to say the least!!To quote him,"This church does not permit anyone to participate in those Satanic activity"!! Judging by the unusual outburst, I realized for the first time that he may have something to hide.And I decided to to visit your blog straightaway.Why the sudden outburst? I felt sorry for the youth & oldies who were visibly terrified!!I mentioned this incident to my colleagues and we had a good laugh.In fact 1 non- Christian laughed so loud,until her tummy cramped and there were tears in her eyes!!

Hidden Believer
March 16, 2010 10:24 PM
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Defies logic said...
Dear Hidden Believer,

Thanks for sharing what your pastor said over the pulpit. I believe God has caused him to utter those words, so that more christians will log in and read about what has happened in Calvary Church.

What your pastor has said only goes to show the mindset of the AOG Pastors. They consider innocent church members who have contributed their hard earned money for years so that the church can function but now just because we ask for truth of where all our money went to, we are branded as satanic.

Our pastor who took, not just thousands but almost two millions and put into his personal so called ministry, he call as godly. Our pastor not only took our offering money but humanitarian money - money to save human lives, he took and put in his personal ministry bank account, your pastor thinks this action is godly.

Seriously, where is the logic?
March 17, 2010 12:45 AM

Anonymous said...

The happenings in CC are unthinkable, and a joke to Christianity.
One lady, a non-Christian, sent her son to CLM. At each session, she was given a drink and an envelope (for "donation"). At the end of the sessions, she was requested to give another "donation" to "help other people". This mother gave 2k. CC does good business.

Anonymous said...

We(few of us) read Hidden Believer with some amusement.We worship in an AOG church somwhere in the Klang valley with our families.But since the Calvary saga hardly a Sunday goes by without a reference to " stay true to your church." To quote last Sundays "Dont quarrel with pastors- we marry you and eventually bury you!!"It seems the church is all about him- not about Jesus.Every now and then we have a Pastors Day in which a dinner is held for him and an offering collected for him & wife to go on holiday, besides Christmas offerings, bonus and what nots.We hold a secular jobs and so far we have not got those perks.Sometimes he even turns up during office hours wearing a complete suit as if he is some kind of CEO.Someones got to speak to these "Pastor" and definitely its not us.Its normal for him to put down people from the pulpit and we dont want to be his next target.

RULE#1 said...

BE REMINDED

John 3:30 (New International Version)
He (JESUS CHRIST) must become greater; I must become less.


Christians seek to glorify God and not themselves through their lives and actions. Here, John the Baptist professes his desire that Jesus would be glorified and that he himself would fade away in comparison.

Isn't this the the mOST important a pastor ought to remember at All times in their Ministries?

Unfortunately, PG and many has done the opposite--
They BOAST about themselves & their 'works' and covet for men's accolades, and expect congregation and their peers to hold them high in admiration!

This is what went wrong--with PG and pastors want to take Centre Stage, when it must belong to Jesus Christ--The Messiah, Lord, Son of God.

Anonymous said...

Worshipper for 25 years say...

.."Everyday we read in the papers directors are arrested because of CBT, how come PG can still run the church?"

The IP on PG alleged CBT is still opened for further investigation. There will be 6 0r more charges if PG alleged transfered church funds to his private CIM can be proven ? Will you all Weep and Pray for PG if he is handcuffed and charged in the Session Court KL ? The Police Report cannot be withdrawn. Sanction to prosecute is required as he is still a Tan Sri, Ok !

If PG, Decons, Elders , APs of CC refused to reinstate the VM & AM on 20-3-2010 or latest by Easter , THEN do what Jesus will do to the "CEOs " within the HOUSE OF GOD TEMPLE compound ...
Just petition & demonstrate to get AG to speed up the IP on PG alleged CBT ? When this happened & come to pass, please do not get emotional & do not blame the maker of the Police Report ?

The Lord God will use secular King to remove PG as He did in Blibical times !

wong said...

the turn off the tap is the only way to starve pg and gang.pg is hard up for every dollars and making alot of justifications blaming us the devil incarnated ..and we are the fall guy.we stay steadfast.next few months he be exercisng more dire straits attempt to derail us. enough is enough !

wong said...

my uncle and my aunty has been cc member since 1993 .they migrated to melbourne .the last 5 yrs they never did came back ..my uncle is making a notary statement this week of his absence and will be furnished me this.....why are other sacked when he been absent since 2005.perhaps this would furnished sacked members some ingredients for their legal action and re instatement..god protect

genesispassion said...

that be a great..keep us informed i be pleased to print and circulate all these to the members and donors.
the more these con artists try to cover fabricate lies and acting drama..sooner or later, 1 slip.the whoel can of worms will come out.i heard another member is digging some thing big on sp and family bank acct.
this will give us insight of his richness from us.

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