Wednesday, June 23, 2010

When Christians March

This is a second article written by a long standing Calvary Church Member who is working in the construction industry.

Not too long ago, a mainline newspaper columnist who is also a professor in the faculty of law of a local university, captioned his article ‘When Lawyers March’. It was after a tumultuous march by some lawyers over their concern on some draconian legislature, which they believed are not only unfair for the general populace, but meant to muzzle them into submission. The gist of his article was that when lawyers take to the street, something is seriously wrong with the legal system in the country. After all, it is not your normal cup of teh tarik, that those much learned men and women in black take to the street. So, in the same context, what is the significance when Christians or more specifically, Calvarites march?

Christians are not known for their aggressiveness but rather for their submissiveness. They are not power crazy like some politicians, usually turning the other cheek when faced with a not too pleasant situation. So it was quite a surprise when a group of Calvarites gathered one Saturday morning in April 2010 and marched to the church office in Damansara Perdana to hand over a Memorandum to PG, who, much earlier had been given notice to be present to receive the Memorandum.

The whole saga had started innocuously enough , but much water have flowed under the bridge, culminating to the point where the group of Calvarites decided to resort to such drastic and loud action. Most of those events have been documented in the blog, where if one is curious enough, would be able to get a good grasp of the whole and comprehensive episode gripping the church.

Some time ago, I have written an article on the Calvary Convention Centre, titled, ‘Abraham was looking forward to a city…..’ The article was to dispel a number of half-truths (to put in midly) as well as to awaken the people so as not to be led by the nose by a so-called ‘vision from God’. After that, I have no intention of writing anymore as I realised that, up to this point, if those people who still have not awaken, would not be moved by whatsoever, tsunami notwithstanding. However, recently, there is a great vexation in my spirit, as I continue to see and hear more and more lies, deceptions, half-truths and what-nots being churned out by PG and his trusted cohorts.

Before I go further, let me say this to the glory of God that I thank God for the more than 30 years in the building industry, so I know what I am talking about, on CCC. I have also ‘paid’ my share for the building of a 5,000 seating capacity church (not a signature building and definitely not a extravagant and flamboyant project to show off), so as to silence the critics that I belong to the so-called "Sanballat, Tobiah and others" gang.

When SK (had to) make an official announcement on the CCC, it was akin to telling everyone the world is round. I believe it was the worst kept secret (but still in a make-believe atmosphere) that work had already stopped; it had stopped some 6 months back. Here again, as I have mentioned in the previous article, he still has to inject some feel-good feelings in the announcement, hence, he announced that the completion would be delayed till November 2010. This is to give the impression that the church still has control over the whole grandiose project, still calling the shots (read bluff). Not even the slightest inkling that the project might be in trouble must be revealed, or else the vision that was told to everyone that it was from God might be in jeopardy and worse, money would not come in.

When a main contractor underperformed, or worse, doesn’t perform, it spells big trouble, especially so with the kind of contract drawn up between CC and NF, where NF was given an advance of RM 8 million and with a corporate guarantee as performance bond, it’s double whammy, to say the least. There is no recourse I can think of, and I am not sure whether NF has paid back the advance at the time of the stoppage.

Recent events including the announcement during the prayer meeting, where members were ‘seemingly given 3 choices, but actually have no other choice than to fork out more money to rescue the vision.

They were also told of the imminent award to the friendly party contractor, subject to an endorsement by the members in an AGM, but were curtailed by the court injunction granted to the 7 plaintifs. To make it more interesting, they were even told that the validity of the quotation was expiring soon, as if like they would miss the boat of getting a big bargain if it is not awarded soon.

The following are my questions (for both packages, NF as well as the prospective contractor), hopefully, someone would be able to enlighten me:

1) Was there a pre-tender qualification exercise?

2) Was there an opened and closed tender?

3) Was there a tender report?

4) Was the recommendations by the consultants taken into consideration?

5) Was there a tender at all, or was it a negotiated deal? Was told by one original tenderer that they were approached to take over when NF defaulted, but there was no follow-up after that. If it was negotiated, who made the final decisions, was the decision above board?

6) How much money was paid to NF :

a. for work done,
b. for materials on site,
c. for work done off-site, but not installed?

NF would still have to be paid, or at least have the final account settled, for them to issue a letter of release for the new kid on the block to take over. If at all the determination of the contract is acrimonious, it could take years to settle the mess, a good example is the Plaza Rakyat project, that went into dispute and had been stalled for almost 20 years. Therefore for SK to announce that the completion would be delayed by a year at that time was preposterous to say the least.

7) What was the percentage :

a. of work done,
b. of the work that can be salvaged,
c. of the balance in terms of the financial curve in the master programme of NF?

8) How much more are we paying for the balance of the work; in terms of preliminaries, warranties and taking the risks for works executed by NF, rectification of defects by NF, wastages, etc. to the new contractor, as definitely , there would be a premium in the pricing to cover the cost of all those uncertainties – compared with (7 c) of the above?

9) Any deviations from the approved plans?:

a. we were only shown the perspective, but I reckon there would be numerous changes (due to ‘value-engineering with no compromise in design and quality, so claimed ex-deacon, homelife leader, CCC sterling committee chairman, engineer, brother or just recently, Dato HJK, or would he add on and enhance the trimmings since he, using the name of God also asked ‘Am I not worth more than these?’)

b. Is the whole project being implemented or just the convention centre, leaving the rest, shell and core?; which would give rise to a host of other problems, such as expiry of the defects liability period for those shell and core buildings (no defects detected as these are not in use and with the expiry, the contractor is not liable to rectify), double or triple handling, re-excavation, coring or hacking the structure for M&E fixtures such as cabling, sanitary, plumbing, etc. (subsequent works by other sub-contractors would nullify the warranties and the liability for the defects for works executed by the main contractor- we lose out again). Issues with authorities, in resubmitting plans to depict future extensions or phases, payment of plan fees, deposits, contributions, etc.

10) Why the need for the members to endorse the award, especially since the leadership had never feel the need to get the members’ consent ever, since those who opposed have been dumped and those who remain are docile; is it also to cover the previous mistakes pertaining to NF? This is most dangerous, as the leadership, with one stroke, would wipe their slates clean –give your money and don’t question later as you have endorsed the project, both present and previous. Members are now asked to ratify their past decision (after thought exercise) thereby taking all responsibilities for the failure of the project because the members approved it at an AGM. Thank God this has not happened yet.

11) There is no impending rise in the price of steel, cement or other building materials, the Government had just abolished the need for a license to deal in steel and cement. In fact, the market is still very soft. The validity of the quotations can easily be extended by another 3 or 6 months; in fact, I have extended a tender for a project by more than a year. A letter of intent could also be given to lock in the prospective contractor or actual award could be given, without confirming on the date for possession of site; in other words, the contractor would commence later with the duration of his master programme commencing on the day he was given the site.

All these options could be exercised, instead of pushing the blame to the 7 plaintiffs, who by the way have obtained the injunction to stop an unjust AGM being convened. If at all, endorsement is required from the members, it would be an EGM instead of an AGM. So what is all this about not being able to get the members’ endorsement because of the injunction, is it not merely finding a scapegoat for a face-saving measure for the announcement by SK as well as the announcement that the project would commence soon, but until now, had still to see the light of day?

12) With this ‘comedy of errors’, in terms of cost, choice of the much-heralded Freemason Architect– can still remember vividly the nonchalant manner he admitted the RM100 million mistake (it did not even border him, it was just sheer arrogance) and award to a non-performing contractor, the only persons laughing (all the way to the bank) are the consultants while Calvarites and the people at large are bled high and dry.

We have to seriously consider, is the vision from God or man?
Is God testing our faith by putting all these obstacles or is He telling us something else?

The amount of money going down the drain caused by the stoppage and resumption of works could be put to better use in reaching out to the poor and needy. Without doubt in the mind of PG and leaders are no matter what, CCC would be built, to silence those who questioned, just so to save face, but at what cost?

This is not only in monetary terms, but spiritual, emotional and mental, where so many lives have been affected, by the propaganda, the half-truths and deceits. In the meantime, PG and his cohorts are still milking those ‘loyal and faithful servants’ of PG as well as the unsuspecting public at large.

Order of the day is still, give, give and keep giving. Latest was that they would be embarking on another ‘advance ‘ from the members for an targeted amount of RM35 million, with the event to be held at SDCC, maybe to reach those in the higher strata of society, who might not want to go to church but whose wallets bulge with wads of banknotes.

They even trumpeted that they have got approval from Bank Negara for this exercise, meaning, if you read between the lines, the previous advance they requested from the members was without approval and if you are still reading between the lines, there exists a vacancy for someone for a cameo role, to lodge a report with BNM.

The Million dollar question here: Is this the amount needed to cover the difference between the original contract to NF and the new?

This article certainly is not a tsunami in the making, as mentioned earlier, even a tsunami would not awaken those who have cast their lots, (in stone as well) to be with PG and hold on to their misguided faith. In fact, if at all they read this article, they would dig in their heels and harden their hearts and deem this to be of the devil and his demons. All I hope with this article is some forthright answers to the above-mentioned questions or to those of you who have been enlightened, would you like to march?

Yes, would you march once more, to submit another Memorandum to PG, seeking answers to all these pertinent questions and not be satisfied or being muzzled into accepting answers such as ‘you give and don’t ask’ and “you just endorse and don’t ask questions”?

When Christians march, they are standing up to be counted, being not satisfied with ‘legally right but morally wrong / legally right but procedural wrong answers’ or being told that these are personal questions or questions to be addressed at another platform ( a phrase much used by PG to wriggle or scurry away, actions most appropriate of him), which by the way will never be forthcoming.

Christians march to put a stop to the rot and decadence that have not only crept in, but being established in the church, to the extent that nothing is taboo anymore, where minutes can be falsified, dubious decisions ratified retrospectively, funds for and from Missions work diverted to PG’s personal ministry, maneuvering in place a team of lackeys to serve in God’s name but are actually catering to PG’s whims and fancies, practice of nepotism and cronyism, arbitrarily removing discerning members who questioned and sacking an ex-deacon who dared to be a whistle blower.

Christians march to stand up for righteousness, justice, Truth, Transparency and Godly-governance as the God they serve demands such standards as these.

The clarion call had been sounded, Onward Christian Soldiers…….

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Again Give Cash Advance for PGs & Gang to perpetuate a misguide CCC Project?
I do not want to be CONNED again ?
Sorry, NO MONEY to give to TROUBLED Negative VISION !

Count me in! said...

COUNT ME IN THE MARCH!

Oh when the Saints
Oh when the Saints
Oh when the Saints go marching in
I want to be in that number
Oh when the Saints go marching in.

We will march with trumpets, cymbals, gongs etc. The walls of CCC (PG's vision) will surely crumble.

I've decided to be in SDCC on the 4th July armed with many "burning" questions.

Bumberbee said...

I do not think any of us will have a chance to voice out any questions on July 4th. It is a supposedly "normal" Sunday Service with the addition of a "special program", which we all already know about. Unless of course we want to resort to shouting out the questions and disrupting the order of service ...

yoong sin sin said...

come sunday we remain same elegance composed.sp and his associate pastors, staff and ushers will be very alert.there security forces from the buliding management.this is expected.

sp can "monkey, hype , sync " whatever he want. this big meeting special programs are not just for the members.it for special donors, special invitation for some richie ..we are just numbers to make up the crowd as though we are his flocks!

one illusionist , big time show business!
be patient be steadfast .stay close this this site .there be counter strategy.

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

BUT GOD!

Dear Bro in the Contraction Industry,
Thanks a million for taking time to write this article. We need more Christians in the profession where the Lord has placed them to speak up and not let the present rogue leaders of Calvary Church get away with 'CRIME'.

I was at the "Regional Cambridge International Symposium on Economic Crime - Attaining Corporate Resilience Through Governance and Integrity" and what the present leadership of Calvary Church is committing is CRIME based on what the distinguished speakers such as Lord Davidson (QC), Professor Barry Rider (Cambridge University) and Tun Zaki Tun Azmi (Chief Justice of Malaysia) said in the forum.

What pains me is the blindness of some in the congregation and some Christian leaders OUTSIDE Calvary Church who have been 'brain washed' to believe the present leaders of Calvary Church "CAN DO NO WRONG"!

We need to intercede that the Holy Spirit will break the power that now grips them in their false beliefs. It is only as more in the congregation see through the present deception and are renewed in their minds will more and more stand on the side of TRUTH.

I have noticed that case fixed for mention have been postponed in the past. I would like to remind legal counsel that at today's Keynote address by Tun Zaki Tun Azmi (Chief Justice of Malaysia), he mentioned that he DOES NOT FAVOUR postponements! He in fact computed that postponement is costly to the 'rakyat' and is bad practice. (He said the cost to the rakyat for postponing cases is about RM15 million per year). He gave his blackberry e-mail and said anyone can contact him where there is injustice. Many of the foreign delegates spoke highly of his keynote address and his sincerity.

I am not a lawyer, but may I suggest that legal counsel for Calvary Church follow up on this. If Calvary Church was a corporation incorporated under the Companies Act, based on what I heard today - the 'BOD' has committed CRIMES and should be brought to justice! I pray the Lord will give Legal Counsel wisdom to bring the BOD to court even though Calvary Church is not a corporation.

Lastly, those who keep saying "TTG should not have taken the case to court ..." better study Acts 5:1-11, especially verse 11.
"And great fear came upon all in the church, and upon as MANY AS HEARD THESE THINGS" (i.e. OUTSIDE THE CHURCH)

Matthew Henry Commentary
[Verses Act 5:1-11 - The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were Hypocrites. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and HIS PROVIDENCE. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. But, the Spirit of God in Peter discerned the deception in the hearts of Ananias & Saphira and the Lord took their lives because of their falsehood and their attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth! God made them as EXAMPLES and holy fear came upon those within and outside the church.]

Let this be a warning to ALL OF US!. Let us not lose heart - God removed Ananias & Saphira - He CAN DO THE SAME AGAIN. According to our Faith - the Lord will perform so that godly fear and reverence will come upon the Christian community in Malaysia (AS MANY AS HEARD THESE THINGS) as they witness the judgement of God.

I truly believe that the Lord MEANT the present events in Calvary Church to be HEARD BY MANY and those who oppose are opposing the Lord!

On CCC - I am still seeking the Lord. When the saga is over - Calvary Church will have to resolve the SINS of the past leaders. Only the Lord can give us wisdom and the resources to resolve this issue. Let us all intercede and seek His wisdom and provision.

Vijay

TIMELY said...

Please have this well explained and substantiated
article "When Christians March" printed and distributed to all attending the CC Service on 4 July 2010.

It's the TRUTH people=all & sundries need to know.

For DATO Han, ( he must love being addressed DATO and announced to the world on his behalf!), joining the race with PG for TITLES and Status of the world) he is full of trickery--don't be deceived by his petite built and 'soft-spoken' mannerism.

He has misled members on many occasions on the real situation of CCC--from original budget to the present debacle--giving manipulated figures and less than honest answers to questions posed at EGM & AGM.

All said, the BOD (past & present), All Associate Pastors willing allowed themselves to carry out the grand scheme masterminded by PG & PG2!

They must face the consequences of the law of the land for their actions.

Anonymous said...

"...I pray the Lord will give Legal Counsel wisdom to bring the BOD to court even though Calvary Church is not a corporation."

If CC is a Sendirian Berhad , CC wiil be covered by offences under the Companies of Malaysia Acts!

If not it will be covered under the offences & punishment provisions of the PENAL Code. Has the maker of the POLICE REPORT (FirstInformation Report) in early 2009 do his or her follow-up with the police Inspector who recorded his statement? Has he or she check up with the Commercial Crime Division in Bukit Aman yet?

I need the " Police Report file reference number " to ask someone to check up its progress too!

A " Tan Sri " can be prosecuted if there is a COMPLAINT lodged that lead to his or her criminal prosecution and subsequent conviction.

The Singapore Police Commercial Crime Division did acted very swiftly to seize admissible EVIDENTS to prevent its destruction and recorded statements of all alleged suspects in a massive Dragnet ?

Anonymous said...

Any one of you readers here understand what is " Variation Orders " ? Just ask any Senior Project Managers in KL for High Rise buildings these questions to be enlightened ?

CCC was and is still TRAPPED very deeply in this alleged " variation orders " over-runs ? It will not just end by the combined service on 4-7-2010 cash advance and public contributions at SDCC ?

Even Sime Darby was even TRAPPED too in their alleged "variation orders" over-runs for the Sarawak projects ?

Crossing the Rubicon said...

Can we get copies of these 3articles/blog printed ( When Christians March, Open Letter to Christians, CCC-PG's Great Folly) and circulated for the coming july 4th combined celebration? Better still, published the open letter in the local newspaper on Sat/Sundays. I don't mind sponsoring the costs of the advertisement for the sake of Truth, Transparency and Good Governance.

Anonymous said...

I am not from CC and sympathize with what CC is going through. But I cannot agree with the constant broad sweep reference to the apparent inaction of ChristIan leaders outside CC. Have TTG spoken to any of them to find out whether they know the full facts? Not everyone reads this blog. It does your cause a diservice when you accuse others of things they may not be aware of.

CALVARY TODAY said...

Responding to Annonymous @ June 24, 2010 2:34 PM

If you have been following this blog, you will know that the TTG group has done whatever they could over the last two years. Both AG M’sia and NECF have been informed and are fully aware of the crisis in Calvary Church.

NECF have taken action to de-register Ps Prince Guneratnam’s (PG) personal ministry CIM, due to misrepresentation. As far as we know, NEFC is still making attempts to mediate in the matter.

A prominent Christian businessman and a Christian leader also made a similar mediation attempt but failed as PG refused to meet citing his BOD can’t make it as the excuse.

Sadly, our governing body, AG M’sia has failed to take any action or attempted any mediation effort. Instead their Asst. Gen Superintendant came and chaired our last AGM and threw out all the Resolutions proposed by the TTG group, making matters worse and divided the church further.

We do not wish to sound disrespectful to all the pastors and christian leaders but if they are really unaware of the CC crisis after the two media reports in the daily papers, then we do not have any idea how to reach them at all.

Those who wish to know would know where to get the necessary info and approach the right people to help. However, many choose not to know and they would not want to find out as they deem it not their business to meddle in another church's affairs.

Here we leave with two questions for all,
1) "Are we our brothers' keeper?"
2) "Who are our brothers to us?"

Anonymous said...

If someone were to invite me to church and tell me about the love of Jesus Christ i would not have believed it. By your actions how many Salvation/Soul u have cost. With your fighting and your songs that says " were against the Church". How many lives you have disrupted.

Anonymous said...

Stop Giving half truths. Why do you only approve comments which are for you and not against you? Are you afraid of the "Truth"? Wait that cant be. You are always after the "truth"? or is it just your Truth?

Anonymous said...

I am not a CC member but day after day I am starting to see the severity of the hypocrisy in the financial management aspect of the church especially in CC. There are many AG churches in M'sia having the same issue but the AG Council seems very silent about this topic. Maybe it is time for them to hire a professional consultant to develop a proper financial management framework for the AG churches in M'sia. It is sad to see no concrete action taken by AG General Council. During the reason AG General Council meeting, there was no serious debate on this matter. I hope the leadership of AG would live up to their slogan "Lead Change Grow". Pls help to provide impartial Leadership and bring positive Change first to our own backyard before impacting the world out there.

Anonymous said...

member for 25 years said..

AOG Malaysia has got their own NEGATIVE weaknesses to hide ? Time to VOTE in Spirit Filled Pro-Active God Fearing new Council members for AOGM ?

Let's Fast and Pray for Wisdom, Revelation, Peace and Tranquility to prevail in AOGM !

CALVARY TODAY said...

Firstly, responding to Anonymous @ June 24, 2010 10:28 PM.

Let us assure you that we are not against the Church. We love the Church that’s why we still go to church every Sunday. Many of us support short term missionaries going for Missions Trips, and even Missionaries that are serving overseas. We get reports of the many lives that are touched and blessed because we gave so that these missionaries can go and preach the gospel to them. Many of us also support children’s education for the poor in and out of M’sia. We get so much joy when these children write to us and thank us for giving them a chance to go to school.

Now how many lives we have disrupted? Well I guess may be a dozen or so of the pastors and deacons in CC, especially PG’s family, a few ex-co members in the AG council and some die-hard followers of PG.

If you think that non-Christians or potential believers are “disrupted” you are wrong. We have people in this group who have written to us to encourage us via e-mails. This mean that they are genuine people whom we can contact if we want to. We received this e-mail just yesterday. Part of the letter says,

The Buddhist body do suffer the same plight.
My humble opinion is most of this due to the weakness in society constitution and flaw in the country system.
For Muslim they have a government body (JAIS)to appeal and seek redress, but for other faith they do not have.
Time for such body to be set up by government with legal power to assist other faiths.
Wish you well & God bless you all !
Regards
BL

Secondly, responding to Anonymous @ June 24, 2010 10:30 PM

We do not fault you for thinking that we give out “half truths”. that’s because that’s what we know and that’s what we were all given by the pastors and leaders of CC - HALF TRUTHS!

We are not afraid of THE TRUTH. In fact, we all WANT THE TRUTH! We humbly ask you to ask PG and deacons to call for an EGM and let everyone know THE TRUTH.

Why we do not publish comments by people who are against us? Well, we are not insane and stupid. Why would we put out comments that scold us with “four letter words”? Just to let you know, we have received e-mails from genuine people who have criticized us and questioned our motives. We have also cordially replied via e-mail to explain our position to these individuals because they were sincere.

We have also used a few of such e-mails and replied to it as An Open Letter to All. You can find it in the archives.

Lastly, we are withholding the comments made by some of you which mentioned about the 4 July Combined Service. This is because we are now working on a new posting and we are getting a person in the finance line to give us his input. We will publish your comments there.

God Bless and Have a Great Weekend! See you in Church on Sunday.

We must hate what God hates! said...

How can A/G Malaysia General Council lead, change & grow when it does not have the integrity & the guts to clear up 'the rubbish, the filth, the corruption,' in its own backyard? I suspect they do not make a stand because most of them are also facing the same issues in their own churches....

CHC said...

NEW LEADERS IN CITY HARVEST CHURCH

THERE has been a leadership change at City Harvest Church, which is being probed by police for alleged misuse of funds, reported The Business Times on Friday.

Pastors Derek Dunn and Aries Zulkarnain have been put in charge of the church's ministerial duties while a 10- member board will continue its role until the probe is over.

Founder Pastor Kong Hee has relinquished his duties but will remain as the president and chairman of the church board, said the BT report.

City Harvest has also appointed auditors RSM Chio Lim to conduct an independent review of the church's corporate governance structure and internal control processes.

On May 31, police rounded up 17 individuals associated with the church,including Pastor Kong, to assist in investigations.

Pastor Kong's wife, pop singer Sun Ho who has been based in the US since 2003, flew back recently from Las Vegas to assist police in the probe. She was questioned for more than six hours on June 15.

EQUALIZER said...

The equation is simple. Just that people find it so hard to make a judgement and lunch attack. Afraid God will judge them the same way. Since my last deal was not published then I have to reiterate....it could be the day of the appointed time or you can use that "Togetherness" gathering to embarass the Top Brass. Where is that banner?? I drive pass and no one make banner "Resign if Completion date cannot be determined". You see, based on your church finances and the manner funds are disburse, you have no hope in the completion of the CCC. But dreams needs to be sold and ATM machine of CC need to be pressed more often until it HURTS. On your Mass gathering day soon, wear a same colour, bring Banner that says RESIGN NOW PG, OPEN THE BOOKS, STOP COOKING THE BOOKS, RID CC of MONEY Changer, LIES, LIAR...MUNAFIK....

Anyone care to highlight details of the transfer back include Interest earned or did that money KENA GASAK Also?.....then CC is Doomed!! Don't forget to UMLEASHED the Pebble of Power on the appointed time......If that appointed time you did nothing please inform everyone here......the Battle is Lost!! Goliath have won.....David and team TTG defeated!!

To those of you still having problems with this CORRUPTION SCANDAL.....let me ask you or whoever have sighted details of the Transfer of CIM personal Ministry Account back to Church CC account. A simple MEASURE of CORRUPTION is when not all the amount were transferred back. I mean those Few Million dollars earning Interest.....was every BIT transfered back to CC or are the INTEREST EARNED considered Pocket money for Grand Priest?? I mean to the detail of every interest earned cent, Returned?? Couple of Million on 1-2 % interest can be $15-20K a year depending on what account it was kept in.....So go check lah......the Greed and Corruption of the person is easily judge by the amount Tan Si transferred back....What is there to talk anymore if Tan Si - Grand Priest only return Principal amount?? By the fruits you will know if the tree any good!! If no good what should you do?? Keep watering it with your $$$ ATM fertilizer or Chop it down?? Can't help it if you like those rotten fruits. There is no cure and one have to go looking for a better Tree. This Battle needs to end in 2010. Either you take aggresive action or you will be aggresively MANIPULATED!! No banner, no TTG info counter, no t- shirt, no unity, no together walk out.....No one dares to act like Jesus throwing the money changer out......Is your dignity at stake or Jesus' dignity??.......on that note I wish you all the best in your battle...Pray you must, this battle can only be won by unconventional method.......Should I continue or should I move on to Kong Hee City Harvest Battle...or Benny Hinn(recently divorced) or Joel Osteen or Brian Houston or Joyce Mayne ..... the list are endless for these prosperity Gosple SCAM....

Winds of Change said...

Winds of Change in Singapore... Coming to a local church near you SOON!

Anonymous said...

The famous words from leader in CC.
1) PG at an Easter gathering: "IF I have been, forgive me."
2) PG2: "I do not know what is CBT."
3) On legs on the table (LOTT), Ps SK: "That's the way PG relaxes."
4) On PG giving hand signals during EGM chaired by Guynes: "PG is exercising his fingers."

The above really beats them all. What oratory skills!

What else is new said...

First, she wanted to apply for six months leave, then she resigned as a paid staff citing studies as the reason. Now her house is on the market for sale.

What surprises will she spring in the future? Is this the tip of the iceberg on the "exodus" of the G's heading for America?

PG already has properties in America many years ago. When his grandson was a very young kid, when asked, he will say that he is going to America for a holiday and staying at his grandpa's house.

Aunty sherlock holmes said...

I suspected they may even have properties in UK, when about 10 years ago, the whole family(and I mean WHOLE family, inclusive of in-laws & grandkids) would take one-month-long holidays in England - this was all very hush-hush, and only the top few 'inner circle' mah chai knew about it!

EQUALIZER said...

I don't agree agree with those who intend to Boycott the meeting. If this was in my Domain, I would gather the team, go early, occupy the front seats and give Tan Si 10 minutes to talk his Crap and the moment he talk money $$$$...stage a MASS walk out with Banner stating Resign BOD of CC, Stop the Scam and Corruption, Open the Accounting Books, If no completion date, RESIGN. Drag the banner like Dragon Dance as you walk out...of course a few at the back with video recorder to make sure that none is man handled with their "toughie" security.... youtube if funny business and agression happens. Don't be rushed walking out; walk slowly as if you won an Oscar and WANT everone to see what you are wearing.....in this casse the Banner Slogan!!!

How come no one video and you tube whenever Tan Si speaks in Church....especially those that undermines himself and his entire BOD??? Then wait outside in the info centre after the service to explain to newbies and guest.....of course take turn to go in and MAKAN if there is FOOD provided......as you mingle and makan can also explain to newbies and guest. There is no shame when you are fighting Corruption...more so within Church!!! If it was me leading the team I would March out..."GOSTAN" and turn down again...maybe 7 times before I leave......unconventional war to bring down the Walls of Tan Si and BOD. I know it can be a bit embarassing for some, but this is what Martin Luther did when he nailed his notes on those doors...How else can he explain to the powers to be that ANYONE can read the bible??? Be a Change Maker....long time they call these people PROTESTANT...Show your protest!!......the saga continues

genesispassion said...

you wont be alone . we have 5 families with you.

LETSSHAREourFOOD said...

AOG, this is our problem , not just calvary's. Step out of your comfort zone. Let's not drag this toooo long...may HIS mercies n wisdoms shine on us....