This is added by CT on 23/04/10, 12.30pm
This is the LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT taken from the Calvary Church Website on 23 April 2010.
The Calvary Stewardship Day Meeting scheduled for 7.00pm on Friday, April 23, 2010 has been postponed to a later date. We encourage all Calvarites to attend our regular Friday Prayer Meeting which will be held at 7.30pm that evening.
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We are also publishing a Comment put in by a reader giving us a short understanding of the legal process that usually takes place in legal situations like this. CT will try to get a clearer picture from various sources.
Legal Views of this AGM said...
I write in response to your posting and offer a few comments.
In your posting, you mentioned about the "fresh injunction" and "AGM being cancelled". I was puzzled why on 15 April, the high court granted AGM to proceed in an injunction hearing and, in less than one week, on 21 April, the same high court through another injunction stopped the AGM.
According to some lawyers whom I consulted, the second injunction is likely an Erinford Injunction by the same High Court. It means an interim preservation order pending the disposal of Originating Summons or appeal. Usually, the purpose of this Erinford injunction was to prevent the Court of Appeal's decision on the earlier injunction appealed on from being rendered nugatory if the AGM 2010 was allowed as scheduled.
If the same judge granted this Erinford injunction, it means the BOD has been refrained from carrying out the AGM as scheduled until the decision of the appeal to the Court of Appeal. Thus, the announcement in Calvary Church website that the AGM is postponed and your wording the AGM is cancelled were not exactly correct. The truth of the matter is that the AGM scheduled on 23 April 2010 is injuncted by Court Order.
Please post this comment to give a true fact about the confusing situation surrounding this AGM.
April 23, 2010 11:47 AM
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BREAKING NEWS
Calvary Today has just been informed by an ex-Calvary Church staff that a fresh injunction to stop the Church AGM scheduled for tomorrow, has been granted by the Court yesterday. The Church has, in compliance with the Court decision, cancelled the AGM.
CT has been unable to obtain any further details at this juncture.
ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE STAR NEWSPAPER
On a different note, there is an announcement, published in the Star newspaper today on page M14 of the Metro section, calling all Calvary Church members who have been sacked to attend the Church AGM scheduled to be held tomorrow.
The announcement also mentioned a candlelight vigil outside the Damansara Heights Church during the proceedings of the AGM.
The announcement was placed by some concerned members who may or may not have known about the Injunction application or perhaps, have been unable to withdraw the announcement in time after the court decision today.
Late this evening, CT received an email from a representative of the concerned members who had placed the announcement which said that although the AGM has been cancelled, all members are encouraged to go to the Church anyway to attend the Friday Prayer Meeting and to fellowship and bless our fellow brothers and sisters-in-Christ.
In the email, the concerned members also encouraged everyone to continue to pray for righteousness and justice to be restored to Calvary Church and for a quick resolution to this long-drawn saga.
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Thank God for the succssful injunction granted against the earlier AGM scheduled on Friday 23 April 2010. It most probably destroyed the master plan of a certain "religious priest", by eliminating this golden opportunity, with the removal of 400 plus voting and associate members (possibly suspected opposing his leadership), to steamroll through his intended resolutions in his hidden agenda - with the presence of his "supporters".
The postponement of the AGM could be used fruitfully by TTG, CC and CT to strategise new moves in the face of the latest development.
Worshipper for 25 years say ...
Let's keep our focus on the main issues at hand. Let's Fast and Pray for :
1)the Originating Summons which is to declare last year's AGM null and void,
2)for the membership list as at June 2009 to remain status quo ,
3)and for reconvening of a fresh AGM to consider the 7 proposed resolutions, which is fixed for hearing on 24 May 20.
Pray and claim Victory in JESUS's Name ! AMEN!
Dear Calvary Today
I heard from a friend from another church that some people had asked for an appeal after the first court injunction..he told me that this time, the appeal is called 'Arinferd injunction'? May I know what is this? and why?
Reading from your posting, and mentioned that there is an advertisement to call all calvarites to attend AGM today, but I was told that the AGM is off ..and it has got to do with the injunction...does it mean to say Calvary church cannot hold the AGM?
I am not too sure what is going on now, can CT give us some kind of report or update?
I write in response to your posting and offer a few comments.
In your posting, you mentioned about the "fresh injunction" and "AGM being cancelled". I was puzzled why on 15 April, the high court granted AGM to proceed in an injunction hearing and, in less than one week, on 21 April, the same high court through another injunction stopped the AGM.
According to some lawyers whom I consulted, the second injunction is likely an Erinford Injunction by the same High Court. It means an interim preservation order pending the disposal of Originating Summons or appeal. Usually, the purpose of this Erinford injunction was to prevent the Court of Appeal's decision on the earlier injunction appealed on from being rendered nugatory if the AGM 2010 was allowed as scheduled.
If the same judge granted this Erinford injunction, it means the BOD has been refrained from carrying out the AGM as scheduled until the decision of the appeal to the Court of Appeal. Thus, the announcement in Calvary Church website that the AGM is postponed and your wording the AGM is cancelled were not exactly correct. The truth of the matter is that the AGM scheduled on 23 April 2010 is injuncted by Court Order.
Please post this comment to give a true fact about the confusing situation surrounding this AGM.
i got an email from sis Fong Ling,
"Dear Members of Calvary Church,
Please be informed that our Stewardship Day (Annual General Meeting) scheduled today, April 23, has been postponed to a later date.
We encourage you to attend this evening’s Friday Prayer Meeting at 7.30pm at Calvary Church Damansara Heights where we will also explain the reason for the postponement.
Kindly ignore this message if you have been informed."
i am a little bit concern about the 'explanation' part.
What a pity.... I was hoping the AGM went ahead. Tactically more opportunity to expose their SCAM & Corruption. After some pondering, the TTG now need to figure out and get the list of ATTENDANCE records they(Tan Si & BOD) use and keep to determine who will/won't be Sacked as voting member from the beginning of time. If they have not attended 3 meetings as per your church constitution. You will then need to disect if the "did not attend 3 meetings" was spelled out 3 consecutive meetings or over a year or whatever. I don't have your church constitution, so I am shooting from my hip! The part I am interested is how they interprete the rules of the sacking and was it applied UNIVERSALLY to everyone? If the record keeping is not available from the beginning of time and only recently, then I feel you have a powerful tool to lodge injuctions, appeals and more injunction. Each time you discover one irregularity from THE LIST, you lodge another injuction based on the precedent you have got. Each time the Tan Si and BOD lose they have to keep paying. Lets see how many they can pay before they repent. With all the forensic expert around Calvary Church there is something you need to seek out from that list. The irregularities and ONLY ONE is needed to declare all AGM Null and Void from the beginning of time. Then you can do an UMNO/UMNO Baru High Court ruling to declare the organisation illegal and all AGM illegal from the beginning of time. Fortunately you don't have MIC or MCA in this circle of Scam. So there could be a fresh start for CC in terms of management team but the FINANCIAL problems remains. So I hope the takeover team from Kindy, worship team, audio visual right up to Pastor is in place, to replace Tan Si, BOD and team. Meanwhile get ready with FORMS from Registrar of Society to lodge a Calvary Church Baru name. Have it filled and on standby...in the event the courts decides to declare your CC illegal entity!! Understand the law works on precedent and consistant interpretation. Even an unjust Judge dare not make an inconsistent judgement...otherwise he(the Judge) too can be cited for contempt and perverting the course of Justice. Some judges in Malaysia think they can get away with it, in politically cases. Some have died. However on God's appointed time they too will face the docks either on earth or heaven!! If you can find that there is ONE irregularities in the REMOVAL or RETENTION of voting members, that evidence is pure GOLD!!
As for the maintenance alone of the completed MEGA super structure, my conservative estimate for a year 1 is about $300,000...assuming top notch completion. Can safely add $50-100K every year alone to keep it functioning proper. That means on top of that you will have to add the electricity bill, water bill and if CC use it everyday after completion for seminar, money raising Church Service, whatever 24/7....then you are looking at $1 million annually for outgoings. Can someone tell me how much the outgoings is now for CC at Damansara and other satellite churches you have, in total, per year? If it is close to $1 million on your current small scale then that means someone is benefiting from some huge financial leakage. Outgoings means maintenance, water and electricity only. Should not include capital expenditure, consultant fees...then again with some accounting genius, it can be hidden. So that is a lot of New churches that can be started based on CC maintenance and outgoings alone of CC + pastors given $2500 a month on their missionary and out-reach work....+ with dignity too. Maintenance means fix toilets, chair, computers, electricals, leaking roof, gardening, lawn...etc...so hope someone can enlighten me again on current maintenance cost. Pity a so called spirit filled, tongue speaking, evil spirit seeing church got SCAMMED BIG time. The issue is how and what can be put in place to stop this Rort in the future. I am still looking for THE solution. .....2nd part to be continued very soon.
for sp face saving, i believed members are forgiving....let the matter goes to rest and a new management team take over. all these sp and gang should voluntarily retires, these blogs and many e mails flying around , and adverse media reports and court cases. sp should retire gracefully with his tan sri ship ..perhaps do some farming.
this is the 1st case of such magnitude.
it has brought mockery for many members and friends. donors.
is sp bigger then calvary?
NO.
FELLOW MEMEBRS
TURN OF THE TAP
meanwhile. the more sp and his gangsters continue all these treacheous deeds, the fury of god is no play play.
The Lord has led us and brought us through thick and thin in this Calvary Saga. As we continue on faithfully in the pursuit of truth, transparency and Godly governance in our church administration, let us keep to our focus and maintain our Christian character individually.
We humbly ask that all who put in their comments do so with gentlenesss and due consideration to others.
Please do not use "harsh" language to describe others. Many of those who are surrounding PG & family are just carrying out their jobs and duties as office bearers.
Some of you would have noticed that your Comments have not been published by the Administrators. We will continue to hold back Comments that contains "harsh" language which refers to specific persons or people as a group.
Let us continue to walk by the guidance of the Holy Spirit so that we can live out the Fruit of the Spirit to bring glory to our Lord Jesus Christ.
God Bless Everyone and continue to Rejoice in the Lord always be it through thick or thin.
However do not be too EAGER to forgive. Forgiveness should NOT be a given or expected just because one is a christian. I am not Jesus so I cannot see if your "SO SORRY" or repentance is genuine or for public to see....like Tiger Woods. As with Love, it takes time to develop, so does FORGIVENESS. Even SCAM/CORRUPTION/DECPTION takes time to develop, go ask Maddof and Satan. Repentance, remorse of the swift and fast like in the times of Jesus are the best. Sadly this is not Obvious in CC Tan Si and BOD team. I know we are to forgive 7 x 77....the question I need to ask Tan Si, BOD & all you blind supporters of CC and this $150+ Million Ringgit Super Mega-structure project + your YEARS of ABUSE of a position of trust entrusted to you.....>>>>> Have you EVER once in your concious, your thinking, your Morality, your quiet time, CONSIDERED that your actions, arrogance have HURT 777 x 777777 people inside and outside Calvary Church?
I hope you AOG type people don't fall for the same scam/trap of AOG style forgive "modus operandi" where Tan Si and BOD try to recycle their relavance again in a Great Show of repentance charade. I have seen this in many AOG type churches where leaders ask members forgive them & BOD after a show of kneeling, crying, asking for forgiveness over fruad, some big scam, sexual misdeed...etc. After the charade, they are back to their old scam again and the church worst off. You see its the same team that organise the show, the cover up, manage the forgiveness charade, cry out loud, speak in tongues, whole church in an out pouring of, "a spirit of forgiveness"(another term used widely to hook you into the show), musician plays soothing music of forgiveness....etc. If this happens on any coming Sunday in future, take note. I pity the new comers to your church on that day. This is how you EQUALIZE their evil PLANNED charade. Give them 10 minutes to do their bit(record, video them using mobile or whatever), then as a team march to the pulpit/stage and escort entire Charade Team to a quiet room for counselling. Meanwhile someone from TTG team take to the mike and return the service back to normal. Have a short sermon prepared on forgiveness or Joy or anything. When you take control of the mike, you have taken control of the church back. You have also claim victory for God, truth, justice and honesty. Tell the Church attendees that there will be an EAGM to put new broom, new management, new team in place to rectify matters & constitutions admendments to make things right. SIEZE the opportunity and don't be shy. No room for faint hearted people!! Unless you have spirit of timidity. Take charge, manage the tense and shocking situation. Tell everyone that business is as usual, as New Team have always been in place. Let them know that THIS is the appointed time to take CHARGE!! I am saying this to put a spanner on Tan Si and BOD team plans. This sudden outpouring of repentence/forgiveness Charade can occur any time now, when you least expect it....so be prepared to take charge. Not more than 10 minutes of their charade....otherwise you lose forever, team TTG!! Tan Si can nominate someone or a few BOD to be the fall guy.....I hope you get the drift!! Do not be a David that only know how to swing a sling but not let go to hit Goliath. Learn to UNLEASHED the power of a PEEBLE at an appointed time to Fell the GOLIATH. Take Charge.....but wait for the Sign of the Forgiveness Charade Fiasco...that is the Appointed time or you will lose the battle to Goliath forever! So will someone please let me know if this Forgiveness Charade have occured and no one from TTG took control. I cannot contribute anymore after that because the appointed time have passed and David have been slayed by Goliath! It Game Over as far as I am concerned! Time to really look for another Church .....to be continued!!
equaliser. yr serious views is noted.sp and friends can keep conning , acting banging their chests, tears and sob sob dramas.2 things can never be changed,he took our MONEY FOR HIS OWN IN THE NAME OF GOD'S VISION OF C C C . The 2nd..he abused sacking 400 members not because these 400 were just absentees..MORE to dilute cover his TRACKS.
what was his motive? more to dilute , remove expose of his cheating.
by that removal, and other will be coerced to obey him and keep feeding is tan sri ship life style.
rich and famous, luxury for life .
we are not leaving the church ..we are attending another church on sat.sunday we attend as normal.
we are alert and steadfast.
turn of the tap
Repair - Do not tear down!
In the midst of the crisis rocking our church, I think we need to pause a little and take stock of the actual situation without being carried away by emotion.
Are we against the CCC project per se or against Sr Pastor PG personally?
If we are unhappy with him because he is corrupted, practises nepotism and cronyism, then remove him. If you cannot remove him through the regular AGM or EGM, take the matter to court by all means.
But why destroy the church in the process?
Why run down the CCC project? Is it not a House of God? Why oppose the building of such a sanctified structure? What would anyone gain by getting the CCC project abandoned midway? Why put to utter waste all the monies paid by well-meaning church-goers as well as outsiders? Remember most of the church members, including me, have been giving sacrificially for the CCC project. Should all our sacrifices go to utter waste just because some people are unhappy with the church management or leadership?
Nevertheless on a personal level I don't think anyone who has given to the church will ever regret it, one way or the other. For our God is indeed a faithful God. Speaking on a personal level, He has been blessing me financially all these years - especially during the past eighteen months or so. Of course I can't really say it's because of my giving to the church or the CCC, but I know for sure He has been blessing me till now.
In fact the Lord has outgiven me financially what I have given the church and the CCC all these years and months! Not only that, He cured me miraculously of a life-threatening illness lately without the need to seek any medication at all. The treatment for that condition alone would have easily cost me ten to twenty thousand ringgit!
I am sure there are many others with similar testimonies.
But then just because we have been more than 'reimbursed' does not, of course, warrant seeing all our hard-earned monies going down the drain through an abandoned church project.
Wouldn't that shatter the image of the churches generally in this country?
So let us not set fire to the entire barn in our quest to drive away the few rats and snakes lurking in the roof! Just burn some sulphur and get a few clubs..if need be.. and that'll take care of things!
So let us not go about tearing things apart.
Thanks
S R Jacob
To S R Jacob.
Please please do not get your facts all mixed up here.
The CCC project failure and abandoned now is not the doing of the TTG people.
It is abandoned, stopped work, not completed as schedule is becoause PG and the deacons CHOSE THE WRONG CONTRACTOR. So don't go blaming the wrong people for PG's own failure.
If PG got ask God before he appointed the contractor, maybe God will ask him to chose CHRISTIAN ARCHITECT AND CHRISTIAN CONTRACTOR to build the Church. But PG put his own son to head the project, then got Free mason to architect and then appoint non christian contractor to build. NOW ABANDONED, PEOPLE LIKE YOU BLAME THE MEMBERS.
TTG only managed to stop the AGM from happening last friday. They did not stop the building of CCC. That one you should ask PG why and blame him for ALL OUR MONEY SACRIFICED.
Of course our God is good. Just like you, I am also very blessed and have more than enough money to spend, live in a nice house and drive a good car and work in a beautiful office.
why did pgput his son heading a 150million project? he has no track records, no qualifications ? is cc that dumb that we dont have any engineers ? architect? with perceived 12000 members? from the dat his name was proposed ..was there any objections from the deacons ?
there wasnt .sp is the life giver and glory giver to these people.they just kow tow .
its very common in construction to get commissions and kick back..with the father and son team..seemed more like some side deals for themselves.
last 20 yrs members been coerced to obey subject themselves to this self proclaimed great tan sri ...enough is enough.turn off the tap.
Dear # 88,
Tks for your comments.
But then if you had read my letter a little carefully and patiently, you would have noted that I never accused anyone of failing the project; all that I said was, 'Pl do not go against the CCC project' - for from what I gleaned from reading the various messages in this blog so far, I had the impression that there are a good many souls out there in cyberspace (at least) who would be only too happy to see the project abandoned for good.
As I said earlier,r if PG and his team are guilty of messing up the project, just remove or 'mop up' the mess -
without penalising the CCC project.
By propagating negative views and conclusions based on mere conjectures you people are eroding support for the project which has translated into a noticeable drain in support for it.
For I and a good many others believe it's a project blessed by God.
As regards the reason for the half-done project, you seem to be able to pin-point the cause for the halt , i.e. a non-Christian contractor, a Freemason architect and the picking of PG's son as project head.
Are you suggesting that everything wd have been OK if the contractor and architect were born-again Christians (how about Catholics, I wonder) and the project was headed by PG's non next-of-kin instead?
What could be more ludicrous than that!
And what is wrong with engaging a Freemason as the architect - or even a Muslim or a Hindu for that matter - as long as he/she gets proper guidance?
The church building that you worship in right now, were the plans drawn up by Christians? Were the individual bricks put neatly in place by born-again Christian hands?
If you are alleging that PG's mismanagement is the cause, it's a different matter altogether. Your allegation would be worth listening to then.
Being a regular Calvarite, I am sure a lot of prayer preceded the picking of the contractor and the architect.
The same way Jesus prayed all night before picking his twelve men.
And don't we all know what Judas did? And wasn't salvation born out of that betrayal?
So I really hope some good cure comes out this bitter pill we are swallowing right now.
And then -
do I not rejoice that you 'live in a nice house, drive a good car and work in a beautiful office?'
Doesn't God who gave you all these nice things deserve a better house than the one presently allotted to him at DH?
And BTW, if you a Christian I would expect you to be more transparent with yr identity even before you accuse others of lack of transparency. Why hide behind a 'double digit' and expect others to believe the sincerity of your words?
Tks.
S R Jacob
s r, when the buliding is messed up ..it cost more to repair ...you have to break the whole buliding ..re build the foundations from zero level...c c c is just a buliding it dont talk it dont walk .. ccc is one man dream one man ego at the expenses of the members and donations from the public. when do we need to be so sentimental so attached to it..its a bulidng that was suppose to unite us in one union..that hopefully years to come..the bulidng will house generate leaders in this country ..that will arise chrstians values.
from the onset , as rightly put many of us were coerced into believing it god's will.we were led and through those pastors , we were brainwashed into giving..has these funds..money been transparent? who would take resposnibilitis of these hard earned money ..some have to send their kids to local college instead of overseas, some would spend less.
get real.this branded church is all about money
every seat at the back ..u see only envelopesasking for this and that funds....money , monthly pledges? isnt that true?
what if somebody were to give his only chicken? only vegetables. some wishes to sp?
would that be accepted?
back to c c c , the answer is just an executive decision..cut loss then keep believing it be ok...all be alright while somebody just act as tan sri..was his son qualified for the head of project?
with our funds ,can we employ a professional project manager or within the christian community in kelang valley ? or calvary is so branded that none is better then his son.this is out right CONFLICT OF INTEREST?
WHAT IS CHRISTIAN LOVELOVEE?
there is one word :common sense.
just because we try to be christ like ? in what context?
get real..least try to be mr nice guy.
one day somebody walked into yr house..rob you do some physical damage to yr kids..would u be christ like ? take pls its ok...
we be brainwashed weeks after weeks to be submissive to sp as the so annointed man of god..today ..there is still some sanity left ..
get up get out of these ropes of these con man /sorry it abit too hard..
for last 10 yrs we have gave no less then 2 honda accord executive..!! we been conned!
back to the real stuff...turn of the tap , we will do whatever legal action to get this right..we can lose the money but we hate to be cheated in the name of jesus.
these are not few rats and snakes..they are yr leader ..they collect yr money ..! they use yr money to engaged kl top notched lawyers to sacked 400 families..YOUR MONEY.OUR MONEY.LIKE using our money n sue ourselves.hilarious!!
just rats and snakes..if these are just that..today we wont be reading writing here.
they are tan sri and puan sri with our money in their kitties flying business class ..top club memberships ..we only use air asia ..we walk at taman tun ismail.. get it right!!
Worshipper for 25 years say ...
..." Doesn't God who gave you all these nice things deserve a better house than the one presently allotted to him at DH?"
We are to build a SIMPLE secular Church Building to house between 5,000 to 10,000 people and " NOT to build a Super MEGA MANSION " ? It was an extremely " BAD decision " to buy the Rm35 million land in 2003 to begin with ? Those with the Spirit of Discernment knew this error in 2003 ? When the actual construction costs exceeded Rm 50 million, it is called exceeding the "prayed " Budget? Many were led to believe that the total land and construction costs ( inclusive of furnishings) will not exceed Rm85 million ? So we have CONFUSIONS and many were upset ?
Both the POSTITIONS of SP and ASP had expired in 2004 and 2006 according to the Church Handbook? Legally speaking, we now have 2 alleged tre-passers in Calvary Church ? I was extremely SHOCKED & speechless to learn about these from Calvary Today exposure?
The after effects and negative consequences displayed yesterday & today,ever since 2004 were the natural results of repeated disobediences towards the CALL of DUTY , that is to SERVE GOD in HUMILITY & Surrender oneself before the LORD GOD !
I am Praying to know WHY was it " so difficult " for the Church leadership "to simply implement & adopt " what was SEEK by TTG that is " a group of Concerned Calvarites seeking to establish Truth, Transparency, Good Governance, Accountability and Christian Stewardship in our beloved church."
Let's Fast and Pray for Wisdom, Revelation,Peace & Tranquility to prevail in Calvary Church & in MALAYSIA.
Believe also that the Hearing on 24.5.2010 will HELP to put past events into proper perspective according to the GUIDANCE of the HOLY SPIRIT. Let's claim victory in JESUS NAME ! AMEN!
PG & his Minions ‘The TwISTER’ of FACTS & TRUTH
On 23 April 2010, once again PG, Ass. pastors & BOD lied through their teeth.
1. The AGM was injunct by COURT ORDER, but they made it out to be “Postponement”. Why did they leave out the reasons they will stopped
from holding the AGM—i.e. why did the Court rule in favour of the Plaintiffs?
2. CCC has been from day one touted as a “Vision from God” by PG and collaborated by his Minions. At this meeting, SKum, ‘re-define’ it as follows:
‘ CCC is NOT a building and not the Vision. Doing the Mission of God is actually the Vision.’ (wow!!! master of manipulation)
This bunch of “Deceivers” will stop at nothing to hook wink the Congregation, even when their sins find them out!
#1. They willfully used dated constitution ruling to
‘reclassify’ 400 members’ status
#2. The “Turn-off the tap” call has undermined
their $$$collection/fund raising--because many
have awakened to realize the ‘church’ is really
made-up of the people of God (the Body of
Christ) and not a physical Brick & mortar Bldg. So they quickly change the tune of their SALE PITCH.
( Let’s not forget, PG & BOD did not have the guts to apply the project as Church, but called it 'Convention Centre’ instead, because they fear rejection by the Authorities. ( What testimony is this?)
Yet, they keep harping to Congregation it needed a 5,000 seating church bec the church has grown. (really?) The Membership roll (if it can even be believed) has only less than 1,500. AND that is after OVER 40 years of existence, mind you.
Fact : CCC is for PG’s vain glory, and $$$ booster.
Now, surely is it is obvious why it has gone horribly wrong—a ‘vision’ that kept changing for twenty-five years with an ever growing EGO, PRIDE & unquenchable covetousness for $, STATUS & POWER
it was just disgusting at sunday service, the words used were deceiving and more or less camouflage to lighten the pressure. few of us walked out ! the vision is no less then a con job by sp and his cronies,cari makan susah ! religion is the easiest with not much capital .just talk talk ..promises after promises in the name of the lord.
disgusting!
we aint dumb...we were dumb for many yrs...i would suggest the adminstrator to add the court injunction and copy of the court order for readers, members to read
just as there is silence among the members...silence is a slow current.
sooner or later, the fury of god will suffice upon these black snakes and rats..
i am concerned that sp will do more damaging to the church properties assets cash and assign these to himself or his proxies in the name of refinancing..etc. sacking 400members , fabrications lies, ex communicating members families...WHAT THIS SP WILL NOT DO?
WE must stay viligant via our friendly deacon and pastors inside the circle ..we must alway ask ourselves? what vested interest they have?
my answer: EASY MONEY.
I hope someone will explore into his bank accts his families and pastors..with their name nric ,wont be difficult..
a check with r o c ? some friends working in the banks..? after all, how many tan sri are there with prince guna in malaysia?
only ONE !
The Mother of all Hypocrites.
PG & BOD and Timothy Ong must have had a hard time preparing the Prayer items for that evening:)
The prayer items included : "...Love one another,...Care for one another..." Can you bear! when in their hearts they know how much they must 'loathe' concerned members of TTG, in particular the plaintiffs--whom they had actually had em 'silenced' by illegal means. Ahh, little did PG know but God has other idea;)
Really, the prayer list was sheer mockery. Their FALSEHOOD is simply despicable. ( Guess, they must have groaned&boiled inside--because the presence of the Plaintiffs and concerned members thwarted their entire plan:(( I mean after all, shouldn't they be praying for the God to help them 'overturn' the decision, etc,, alas they won't because they couldn't do it in the presence of those who stood for Righteousness & Justice in their midst.
Anyone who wants to know what hypocrisy is, or wish to learn to be 1st class hypocrites, meet PG-PG2 and his-her supporting cast at CC.
When CCC was mooted, questions have been raised such as
1) why such grandious design
SP told that other architect submitted quotations for simple design for almost RM50m, that's why the church chose Ken Yeang.
2) when Ken Yeang was questioned whether he is a Christian, he did not give a clear cut answer but due to the diligence of TTG it was brought to the attention of PG that Kean Yeang was indeed a freemason.......
those of you who are familiar with cults, you will know that a Christian church should not use a freemason.......PG knew but he chose to go his own way despite advice to the contrary. The irony his buddy Guynes also said it was ok.....wonder whether this is the stand of AOG?
2) was questioned about the cost of maintenance - think no answers were given.
3) Nam Fatt was chosen as the main con despite advice from Calvarites in the trade.
Frankly when a senior pastor ignores all these warning signs, is he not fully responsible for the failure of CCC.
The saddest of it all,is when churches are all out to evangelise, reaching out to foreign workers in our land, CC has only ONE SINGLE AGENDA to build CCC!!!!! It is too grand for our poor folks to attend even if it is built!! How sad. We could build 150 RM1mill each churches all over Malaysia. Surely this will reach more people with the gospel.
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain.....yes much funds have gone into the project....but it is better to abandon it that to pursue something which is no longer relevant.
Everyone missed the point. We are dwelling on secondary issues as a Christian.
Why are we concentrating on a building (vision?) instead of showing Christian traits.
Why are leaders of CC so obsessed with a building, raising funds to build as it is God's vision to SP?
Why are they not displaying Christian values??
So far I have not seen anyone ministering to the hurting ones because that is the right thing to do first. The axed-members made such a big stand and delivered a memo to our senior pastor. What did he do?? Nothing - not one word to these axed-members.
from the start we were conned to our teeths..yr earlier these idea was mooted by sp ..during that yr..if one could remember he was hinting praising god for such a blessing upon cc.that was just the prelude , many deacons and some "rich" families were invited for some light after service coffee..this was the 1st part of the grand CON.
Subsequently , some got excited when they were given some special tasks on ccc..the under current started at cell groups...as expected cell groups leaders deacons felt high and mighty to lead this ,,sort of ego trip!!
when the initial budget was just 50mil(excludeland cost n preliminary fees) the market valuation was just no more then 18 mil) sp declared this is god plan, a must must .as he declared " god has spoken"
part 1.
perhaps some would add on the history ...and the schemes of things
Dear all,
I am not a Calvarite but I had on few occasions years back attended some of Calvary's Easter and Christmas events. At that time, I was amazed of the capability of this Church with the extent of means and resources that the church has.
Seeing what is happening at this moment does really make me wonder whether churches (yes, in general) have slowly turned into being a political institution instead.
What is happening to Calvary church is a clear illustration of my thoughts. What I see happening here has reinforced my views that in time to come, churches are slowly creeping to be a tool of ideology to be used by certain persons to advance their selfish purposes. Please don’t get me wrong, this is not my personal idea but an idea from a very well known legal and economic philosopher, which I am slowly beginning to see the truth in that ideas.
It pains me to see that situations like these are happening all around us. Where is the sanctity and purity of religion? I wonder whether religion is actually the by-product of capitalism and economic power. In other words, religion has been used as a tool of “mystification” and “legitimization” to promote one’s self interests. So that, the truth of the matter will always remain concealed and hidden away from scrutiny. I hope with your actions to pursue this matter at the Courts will bear fruits to uncover the situations and let the truth be set free.
I am a born again Christian. I was raised up in a Christian home... been to Sunday school... did and done everything which was within the four corners of the church. But at the end, disappointment is what I felt throughout the journey. And not forgetting hypocrisy.
Dear all, I hope you all could brace yourself in trying times like this. Remember that, no matter what the outcome is, keep firm the good values that you have gotten from the Bible, be kind and be forgiving.
Ultimately, it is the wrongdoer that will be answerable to God. I wish you all the best and God bless…
Some of you may be curious to know why your Comments are not published by the CT administrators. Please write a note to the administrators for clarification at calvarytoday@gmail.com
God is good all the time.
I happened to read this write up in another blog (not Berita Calvary) which I believe the plea from the administrator is very real and pressing. But the rest of it especially the comments about the manner of the TTG members attending the prayer meeting in CC last Friday was totally a lie. I was at the prayer meeting last Friday and what the administrator described was totally untrue. The TTG members were very friendly and jovial with all that they met, though some current cc worshipers behaved the opposite toward them. Oh yes, I did shake their hands and fellowship with them. What a joy!
Alright, back to what the administrator of that blog said and I quote: "Dear leaders, please do something fast. Please care for your declining attendance. Please care for your people. Please do something more spiritually solid. Trying to solve the problem with your secular and management ways have proven to bring you half-baked results. Please consult God and do the right thing. Come on, bang heaven with prayers and fasting. No, not TV-fasting or Internet-fasting, or MSN-fasting. We meant fasting from food! The ones mentioned throughout the Bible – from Genesis to Revelation. Don’t convenient the people so much that you have to dilute God’s teaching in such superficial way. It is quite shallow we felt." unquote.
To that dear administrator, what would you expect when the leaders of cc lied and manipulated the word of God for their own selfish benefits? They have tainted the pulpit of cc with lies and much lies. Can you imagine they could even use an old and outdated constitution to sacked or in their own words 'reclassified' the 400+ members! On top of that, they even said the above have been their practice for the past 20 years! Oh come on.
As brethren in Christ, I echo you in asking for PG, APs, Deacons and members of CC (including the 400+ who are still members according to the judge) to pray and fast for CC. Pray that our Lord would restore back CC and the church would be filled once again with the great presence of the Holy Spirit. Very important to also pray for TRUTH, TRANSPARENCY & GODLY GOVERNANCE for the church.
Dear Calvarites,
Common but deadly deceptions impact us every day. They can twist our thinking in ways we never expect, clouding our decisions,
distorting our perception of God and destroying relationships.
You will greatly benefit from Andy Stanley’s DVD teaching on learning to recognise deception and how to overcome them.
Come out for our SCG Open sessions for 3 Fridays (May 7, 14 & 21) at 7.30 p.m at Calvary Church Damansara Heights.
Here’s the promo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQY9L28uTo&feature=related
Personally i found it quite irony..well, it read deception in it too..does it says smthg or simply pointing fingers backward. As i know, deception only valid when there's a leader, or one person telling someone or group what they should do. Btw, hav no idea who else get these emails, but i get it quite frequently with different story arousing same issue..dono la, i just attend other church as i like n they keep on brain-washing the 'left-over' in CC..the more email they send to me the more i sees the ugly side of them.. So i think that's it, n i care nothing about it anymore..
Anonymous N
thanks for the video ..from these few rewind...i could conclude, I BEEN CONNED !
why change background?
have 2 highlight oni can see la
On Sat May 1, Star and NST carried biznews on Nam Fatt 2009 financial accounts. They are really in bad shape. Even the external auditor cannot qualify the accounts.This contractor may have problems long time ago to come to this stage. Two questions here: 1. Did the Senior Pastor and deacons did a thorough job in awarding the ccc contract to them? 2.Was the contractor honest with the church and Senior Pastor if their problems were there long ago as many in this contracting biz knew?Now senior pastor and deacons have a lot to answer the worshippers and public where tens of million were collected from them. How can senior pastor and deacons with much prayer for God's wisdom ended up "cheated" in this manner? Fundamentally, is this ccc project God's Will or senior pastor's man will?
NST Business Times pg1 - Construction group Nam Fatt is also in trouble after it defaulted on some loans and made an operational loss of RM560 million in the year to Dec 31 2009.
It has to submit a revamp plan a year from Mar 15 2010 and it has yet to finalize such a plan.
Accountants from Deloitte & Touche could not find enough audit evidence for doubtful debt provisions while audited accounts of certain subsidiaries were not available.
In this instance, Deloitte said this is in breach of the Companies Act.
Auditor not able to confirm Nam Fatt accounts
Deloitte & Touche told Bursa Malaysia yesterday it was unable to comment on whether the financial statements of the subsidiaries of Nam Fatt Corp Bhd had been consolidated in the financial statements of the parent company in the form and content appropriate and proper for the purposes of the preparation of Nam Fatt's financial statements for the year ended Dec 31, 2009.
The firm said as at Dec 31, Nam Fatt had a capital deficiency of RM35.2mil and its current liabilities exceeded current assets by RM201.6mil and RM117.1mil at the company and group level respectively.
The firm said the events indicated the existence of material uncertainties which cast significant doubt about the ability of Nam Fatt and the group to continue as a going concern.
The provision of foreseeable loss totalled RM379.5mil as shown in the group's income statement but Deloitte & Touche said it was unable to find enough appropriate audit evidence to support this provision amount.
Deloitte& Touche said because of the significance of the matters and material uncertainties, it could not express an opinion on the financial statements of NamFatt and the group for FY09.
Auditor not able to confirm Nam Fatt accounts
Deloitte & Touche told Bursa Malaysia yesterday it was unable to comment on whether the financial statements of the subsidiaries of Nam Fatt Corp Bhd had been consolidated in the financial statements of the parent company in the form and content appropriate and proper for the purposes of the preparation of Nam Fatt's financial statements for the year ended Dec 31, 2009.
The firm said as at Dec 31, Nam Fatt had a capital deficiency of RM35.2mil and its current liabilities exceeded current assets by RM201.6mil and RM117.1mil at the company and group level respectively.
The firm said the events indicated the existence of material uncertainties which cast significant doubt about the ability of Nam Fatt and the group to continue as a going concern.
The provision of foreseeable loss totalled RM379.5mil as shown in the group's income statement but Deloitte & Touche said it was unable to find enough appropriate audit evidence to support this provision amount.
Deloitte& Touche said because of the significance of the matters and material uncertainties, it could not express an opinion on the financial statements of NamFatt and the group for FY09.
WAS SP and gang in concert to cheat the members? or intentionally, a zerolized to default ..thus raise new funds? why were money paid to nam fatt beore any work or commencement of work ? the main contract payment is progressive claims ? why were this not adhere? we must demand the main contract for scrunity?there are too many unanwered questions , too many avoiding by these deacons? i am suspicios that sp recent trip is his quick escape to usa...this he be living on 7 heavens...i hope we take proactive action that his passport of his family and deacons be surrendered to the court!!
Lets pray to so that those who need to repent confess their sins.. N those who need comfort has their heart blessed. Also pray to those who were blinded to open their eyes. And those who walk with rightousness will humble their heart. We need salvation, oh Lord.. Thru Jesus we ask for it, Amen.
To Whom it may concern !
This is a prophetic MESSAGE given to YOU !
Please " JUST LET GO " and surrender and return back ' your call of duty' to our LORD GOD !
24-5-2010 is the day of reckoning for the LORD of HOST to put back all past events in their proper perspectives! AMEN !
I had not been able to log in to CT blog since the end of April until May 6 using the land/fixed line. I read in Berita Calvary that it has somethung to do with land lines and servers.
However on May 6, I arrived in Singapore and used a land line to log in to CT blog and had been successful. At this moment I am also using a land line to write.
So, what's up? Why am I able to log in successfully to CT with a land line in Singapore and not able to do it in Malaysia? Is it due to the server in Malaysia or US? It is really frustrating when I cannot log in to CT with a land line.
Will those who are I.T. savy or those who are more knowledgeable in the internet system please update people like me. Many thanks.
To Perplex,
i have no idea about can't logging into CT using a 'land line', coz i've been following up CT progress using my handheld all this while, n i never log into CT when i was in front of my desktop/laptop.
But...
assuming something which is not a fact might lead u into evil thought and worsen if u keep dwelling with the fact that someone might victimize u..
Besides, i recieve some info saying there're some system down on streamyx for the past few weeks on certain area. Maxis too, but they didn't announce it at all.
Lets think it positively,k? We had a serious case to face n that's not the attitude we TTG supporter should carry. Just pray hard,k? My little 2cents
God bless you..
To anonymous N<,
I do not know what you are driving at! There are no indications of what you had suggested of "evil thougths" or "victimization" in my comments. Maybe it's only in your mind. My comments were purely trying to seek more information of a technical nature reagarding the complexcity of the internet. I believe I am not the only one affected by this technical difficulty. I had just visited Berita Calvary and CT has mentioned that this technical difficulty is not due to malicious acts. What CT wrote in Berita Calvary has given me an insight into the problems I and some others are facing reagarding access to CT blog.
I have been following the various observations and criticisms about CC and CCC.
And now we seem to have, by progression, CCCC = CCC Controversy!
I do not wish to be part of the controversy, though I'd like to see Truth prevailing in the end.
And there are a couple of things I have been wanting to say for a long, long time about CC. Let me say it here and now.
Offering Time
I am not generally against a Church collecting money from its congregation. In fact I have always been giving to churches, pastors ever since I became a Christian.
But what has been happening at CC for the past few years is - money collection has become a somewhat 'arm-twisting' act. Why do I say so?
The typical offering time would begin in this way.
The pastor would call on those present to take out their offering (money) and hold it in their hands And before praying for the offering, would quote some Bible verse which encourages giving (such as the Malachi, John, Mark, etc). At times the pastor would say, 'Your offering is not part of your tithes; it is in addition to your tithes. bla...bla...it is your love gift to God'. (But if it is indeed 'a love gift' why subtly demand for it?)
I always feel put off by such 'aggressive' behavior. While the Bible enjoins worshipers to give, it also says you ought to give secretly, i.e. your left hand must not know what your right hand is giving. But here in church you are forced to dig into your pocket, bring out your cash and hold it in your hand for all and sundry (especially the pastor at the pulpit) to see.
And I have a haunting suspicion the magic works -- for most people, including me, end up obeying in sullen silence, largely for fear of appearing as a non-giving, worse, non-Bible-obeying Christian. No wonder the 'trick' is played in every other service, week after week, month after month..........!
I think this is a subtle strategy on the part of the church pastors to coax the congregation to give - and give.. and give.
Turn to your neighbor and say....
The other thing that puts me off about CC pastors is the way they treat the congregation at times - like a bunch of school kids.
It is an irking phenomenon really. The preaching pastor would out of the blue ask the congregation to: 'Turn to your neighbor and give him/her a sweet smile' or 'Turn to your neighbor and say, 'See you at the carnival' or something like that. I know the pastor means well, but then he/she should be more tactful when requiring us adults do such things. I have felt really out of sorts on such occasions. I am sure there are many in the congregation who for some reason or other, are not in the mood to smile or turn to his/her pew neighbor to echo in parrot fashion the words of the pastor.
Instead of giving such 'soft orders' what the pastor could do is to gently coax the congregation. Give them a choice instead of 'demanding' outright obedience from them. He/she could probably give the congregation a choice by saying, 'There is nothing to stop you from giving a smile to your neighbor; it doesn't cost you anything, but it may bring rich rewards' or something to that effect,i.e.give us a choice whether to obey him or not.
You see, we are grownups and not a bunch of school kids who must be told what to do at every step and turn.The pastors should not be 'lording it' upon us, though they might be inculcating 'good Christian' values in us.
This website is somehow blocked by Malaysian ISP! you can access via a proxy server like http://www.proxywebsite.org
Just key in calvarytoday.blogspot.com in the URL and enter.
week after week..i noticed these pastors on the right make us feel sinful , ingrateful.useless and at the end of tehservice.he sell us hopes .come to the front and allow god to made yr life eternal with promises! i heard this once, make him a sinner then he be a christian!
another was a prayer, god, protect me from yr followers!
as bro ng put it very neatly..when they are on the stage they feel powerful almighty with the mic, the music..they think they are god themselves ! u see that smiles that silent pleading for our money..! without our money , they be squatting on the street.
the story i just extracted..is what happened to us..they programme among themselves every sunday ..we be caught willingly !
what is the quickest most profitable business? RELIGION!
JUST sell hopes promises ! mouth talk, dig our pocket
have u make a comparsion the profit , or collection we have in c c is beter then those listed co on the stock exchange?
enough is enough! turn off teh tap turn ON OUR POWER !
week after weeks these are brain washing...i read this somewhere and took me few mins to extract..perhaps fellow readers should read slowly!You may have heard a story like this: once a brahmin bought a goat and was taking it home. Three or four thieves saw him and thought the goat could be snatched away from him. But the brahmin was strong and to steal from him would be no easy job, so they decided to try diplomacy, a little trickery.
One came up to him on the road saying, ”Well done! How much did you pay for the dog?” That man, that brahmin said, ”Dog! Are you blind? Or only mad? It is a goat! I am bringing her from the market. I paid fifty rupees for her.”
The thief said, ”It’s up to you, but you know... seeing a brahmin carrying a dog on his shoulders.... Dear brother, to me it looks like a dog. Could there be some mistake?”
The brahmin went on his way, wondering what kind of man was that! But he fingered the feet of the goat just to check, saying to himself, ”It is a goat.” Another of the gang was waiting across the road.
He called over to the brahmin, ”What a fine dog you bought!”
Now the brahmin hadn’t the courage to insist it was not a dog: who knows maybe it was a dog – two men could not be wrong. Still he said, ”No no, it’s not a dog.” But it was weaker now. He said it, but the foundations inside were shaken. He said, ”No, no it’s a goat.”
The man said, ”It’s a goat? You call this a goat? Then, respected brahmin, the definition of goat needs to be changed! If you call this a goat then what will you call a dog? But it’s up to you. You are a scholarly man; you can change it if you want. It’s just a name. Perhaps you say dog, perhaps you say goat – a dog it remains. Nothing changes just by calling it a goat.”
The man went away. The brahmin put the goat down and looked: it was definitely a goat... a goat like any other goat. He rubbed his eyes and splashed them with water from a roadside tap. He was nearing his own neighborhood: if people saw a brahmin carrying a dog on his shoulders it would be a blow against worship in the temple and against scholarship. People paid for his worship – they would stop paying, they would think him mad.... Again he thoroughly inspected the animal, making sure it was a goat. But what was with those two guys?
Again he shouldered the goat and started off, but now he moved a little nervously. What if anyone else saw him? Then he came across the third fellow. He exclaimed, ”What a fine dog! Where did you get it? I too have wanted to have a dog for a long time.”
The brahmin said, ”Friend, you just take it! If you want a dog, take it. It is really a dog. A friend gave it to me, you please relieve me of it.” And he ran home before anyone could find out that he had bought a dog.
This is how man lives. You have become what you believe. And there are many cheats and scoundrels all around – you have been led to believe all kinds of things. They have their own motives. The priest wants to convince you that you are a sinner, because if you are not a sinner how will he continue to pray for you? It is in his interest that a goat be taken for a dog.
why is calvary today blocked ? it not anti government, non political ..no sale of cocaine etc..i wont be surprised some vested interest people do some deals to ceased this blog..!one deacon claimed this is the work of god..and prayed fury firestones be upon the adminstrators !
if so , i would be glad any sunday i stand on the stage..they can beat their chest, all the tongues upon me! for 7 sundays ?
let do it!
drop me dead there and then !
Hello yoong, you and I still can have a chat here in CT. This deacon must have half faith in God only, bcoz God only answer half his/her prayer.
If PG complained, which I believed he did, this Calvary Today website will be blocked by Malaysian ISP! He used his Tan Sri influence to block Calvary Today ?
Use other sites blogspot to SHARE your views,OK, If it is blocked again, then you will know it was him who complained to ISP provider to block! Some languages, words , sentence used do qualified for action to block,OK!
PG is fighting to remain in Secular Power! He knows 24-5-2010 high court case is fatal to him ? If PG lose the case , it will mean he & his wife & children will soon lose their monthly salaries and perks, etc, etc...
So let's Fast and Pray for Wisdom, Revelation, Peace and Tranquility to prevail!
Anon 11.08am.
Don't give PG so much credit. You see we have been so programed all these years to think that PG can do anything he wants and get anyone to do his bidding that many actually think like you. If our government will block any blogs in M'sia, the 1st one will be M'sia Kini. Then followed by all the opposition party blogs.
This is a spiritual battle going on in CC now. Whatever happens, it is God's will that will finally be accomplished.
Yes, we pray for wisdom, revelation and peace for all and this prayer God will definately answer.
As to the deacon who pray that "fury firestones be upon the administrators" kind of prayer, I have my doubts if God will listen. I hope they are not promoting such kind of prayer to the innocent members to pray. If these are prayers that are not pleasing to God, it will fall back on themselves.
Please be careful what we pray. Prayer getting serious with God. Those who pray must pray in spirit and in truth so let our prayers be guided by the Holy Spirit.
I am using independent wireless to access Calvary Today, no problem at all! Today connection speed is also very fast to lock !
Keep up your good works! Syabas to Calvary Administrators!
Hi Ct
I discovered the way to go in to CT. When you click CT under your bookmark, the message is 'server not found' but the way to go is, click CT, then go to any other blog, eg, your children of friends blog, then click forward key, there CT blog will appear..
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