Sunday, November 29, 2009

PG And DEACONS Continue To Hoodwink

One would have thought that after a major expose on the Calvary saga in a national newspaper (read http://calvarytoday.blogspot.com/2009/11/calvary-crisis-in-star.html), our dear pastors and Board of Deacons (BOD) will get their act together and seek to resolve all the issues facing our Church.

Unfortunately our dear Deacons and Pastors (and PG) are not ordinary God-fearing people. They have proven, once again to be man-fearing people.

In an immediate response to the report in the The Star on 18 November 2009, the Deacons and Pastors issued an announcement through the pulpit on 22 November 2009 as well as through the Church website to reaffirm their confidence in PG and his wife and deny all the "allegations" stated in the newspaper report.

This is an excerpt from the Church website announcement:
"Many of you may have read the article published in Metro section of the Star dated November 18, 2009 titled “Crisis rocks Calvary Church”. We understand that you may be disturbed by the allegations in the article.

These allegations were presented by the Board of Deacons and deliberated at length by the members of Calvary Church at the EGMs on 15 August, 2008 and 4 April, 2009 and AGM on 19 June, 2009. The allegations were investigated thoroughly by the Church’s internal auditors, a renowned firm of Investigative Accountants and a firm of Advocates and Solicitors specializing in criminal practice. These allegations were found to be baseless………..

……..The Deacons and Pastors reaffirm our confidence in Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam and his leadership. We believe that the Lord will continue to use him and Sister Petrina to enable God’s will and plan for Calvary Church to be fulfilled.

Let us as a church receive the exhortation in Hebrews 10:36 “to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what He has promised.” Also, let us continue to love and support one another as we stay focused and faithful, praying for our Senior Pastor, Pastors, Deacons and their families for God’s protection, strength and wisdom as they lead and guide the Church.”

It is typical of PG and his deacons to use the word “allegations” to continue to hoodwink the members. What the newspaper has reported are FACTS and not allegations.

IT IS A FACT that RM1.9million was transferred from the Church Missions Fund to CIM without members’ knowledge!

Lawyer KK Wong and Edward Rajasingam (Church Deacon and Treasurer) confirmed this at the EGM held on 15 August 2008. Although KK Wong stated that since the transfers were approved (by ratification) by the BOD and therefore, there were no CBT involved, he later, during question time, qualified his opinion by saying that if we were to give the same set of documents to other lawyers, we would get all different opinions. In answer to a question, he also stated that he has no way of confirming if the documents and minutes given to him by the BOD are genuine.

Another thing to note is that KK Wong made his presentation at the EGM in his personal capacity. He did not represent his firm and therefore, the announcement by the BOD is MISLEADING!

Edward confirmed that the funds were transferred over several years to CIM and the BOD’s approval was obtained (ratified) only after each transfer was done.

Listen to both KK Wong and Edward’s statements by clicking on the audio clips below.

Clip #1 : Lawyer's statements


Clip #2 : Treasurer's Statements



OTHER FACTS:

#1. IT IS A FACT that a gift of US$10,000 was given to Dr Guynes!

#2. IT IS A FACT that the Church paid for the overseas airfare of PG’s grandchild!

#3. IT IS A FACT that the Church gave a scholarship to PG’s children to study in USA!

#4. IT IS A FACT that the Church paid RM40,000 medical fees for PG’s grandchild!

#5. IT IS A FACT that PG’s gym membership was paid for by the Church!

#6. IT IS A FACT that PG has never declared the love offerings he has received!

#7. IT IS A FACT that our Ampang Outreach Pastor was paid a mere RM250 a month previously!

#8. IT IS A FACT that the love offering collected for Pas Phil was not given to him!
(Read Pas Phil’s story at http://calvarytoday.blogspot.com/2009/09/pastor-phils-story.html)

#9. IT IS A FACT that PG appraises his own children and the BOD does not know their increments!

#10. IT IS A FACT that there is poor financial management!

#11. IT IS A FACT that there is a lack of transparency!

#12. IT IS A FACT that Dr Lum was sacked for speaking out!

#13. IT IS A FACT that the CCC’s building cost has ballooned from RM50m to RM150m!

#14. IT IS A FACT that the CCC construction commenced without sufficient funds in hand!

#15. IT IS A FACT that Calvaryland was built to house 200 orphans and homeless but today has only 4 residents, at the last count!

The first 9 facts listed above which were published in the newspaper report were taken verbatim from the Church’s Annual Report 2009. All the 9 items were also investigated by our Internal Auditors and presented to the members at an EGM held on 4 April 2009. ALL the 9 “ allegations” were proven by the Internal Auditors to be TRUE! These were actual transactions and incidences which took place according to accounting records and witnesses which neither PG nor the BOD could deny. Therefore, these items cannot be deemed as "allegations", much as PG and the BOD want all to believe. They even took great pains to ensure that PG's name is not mentioned in the EGM minutes pertaining to this Internal Auditors' presentation. If you have a copy of Calvary Church's 2009 Annual Report, take a look at the EGM minutes and you will see how ridiculous the EGM minutes have appeared. While at it, also take a look at the minutes on lawyer KK Wong's presentation. If you had attended the EGM, you will notice a number of statements in the minutes alluded to KK Wong which he DID NOT say at all. That is creative minuting by PG and the BOD.

Listen to the Internal Auditors’ presentation by clicking on the audio clips below.

Clip #3 : Church Auditors' Statements



The renowned firm of Investigative Accountants which the BOD referred to in their announcement was Ferrier Hodgson. The firm was asked by the BOD to look into the accounts of CIM but this is barking at the wrong tree. They should have been asked to investigate the accounts of the Church because that was where the funds were being channelled from. Therefore, their findings that the accounts of CIM are in order is totally irrelevant.

The BOD knows this and the purpose of their mentioning the appointment of "a renowned firm of Investigative Accountants and a firm of Advocates and Solicitors specializing in criminal practice" in the announcement is merely to hoodwink the church members and the public.


Clip #4 : Forensic Accountant's Statements



The Church website statement also says, "These allegations were presented by the Board of Deacons and deliberated at length by the members of Calvary Church at the EGMs on 15 August, 2008 and 4 April, 2009 and AGM on 19 June, 2009." Listen to Clip 5 to see if this is a true statement. All the AGMs or EGMs so far have always been conducted according to PG's autocratic style. Members' grouses or criticism are always brushed aside, other times promises are made by PG to pacify the members but never intended to be fulfilled. There has not been a single occasion whereby the members' views have been considered as worth listening to, unless the views are in support of PG. It is shocking that one of PG's supporters (Lawyer David Peters) considers fellow church members' request to solve church issues at a General Meeting as HIJACKING THE AGENDA. However, PG & BOD's unscheduled introduction of the church auditors to present their findings without prior notice to members is deemed legitimate.



Clip 5 : "Deliberation" between PG & Members


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25 comments:

same ol trick said...

what liars, these PG and deacons...still living in denial and trying to lie to the calvary church members!

Michael M Oldham said...

Scandals at calvary Church


With all that has been published with regards to the Calvary Saga and the previous statements by the present BOD and the Senior Pastor, it is quite clear to say that those that have been named in the saga will not in any circumstances change their stand. We must all remember that we are not dealing with men and woman who are walking with the Lord ,who are in the present BOD and in the position of authority. We must remember that they have made a constructive decision to continue to be disobedient to the Word of God and continue to excise their options to sin against the very house of God that they had initially served with their hearts. We are dealing with mere men and women who disguise themselves under the Church umbrella .To this, the true believing Calvary Church members must see this and take the stand to protect and claim back what is God’s and not let fallen men and woman to continue to savage and prostitute the Church of God with their detestable behavior.

I have read with amazement church leaders and pastors who continue to say to keep this saga within the family of God .Only recently in Ireland, did the catholic Church after much pressure had no option but to be divulge documents involving the abuse of children under their jurisdiction in the early 70’s and 80’s.This is what keeping within the family is all about..HIDE THE CRIMES UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE CHURCH..This is repulsive to the extreme and makes a mockery of the church of God.

Let me give you an analogy and this is very rampant in this day and age. Let us take a family where the father sexually abuses one of the children and the mother and the rest of the children just watches and does nothing. Because of the complexity of the human mind and the psychological behaviors of each individual is different, the father through his threats of hurting the rest if they were to tell others of what is happening creates a mind set of fear and the consequences of harm befalling them if it is exposed. Relatives see and suspect and does nothing. They think and believe he will change and things will get well later.
This is the condition to a certain extent Calvary church is in today. The present BOD is incapable of exercising sound commercial judgment from the way they handle the financial scandals ,how can you expect then to exercise biblical authority. The senior pastor has an unwavering influence in the way the BOD reacts to situation and the statements given as to date all points to that. Calvary church members cannot rely on good and biblical authority of those who still sit in the position of authority which in this instances is definitely NOT from God.

To Calvary members ,Be God fearing and courageous and make your stand to tell those that continue to prostitute and defile the house of God that they must GO. Use all means which include legal to remove such repulsiveness from the house of God.

Michael M Oldham

BOD, fear God NOT man ! said...

It is stated in the last 2 paragraphs of the post (article) that:-

"The renowned firm of Investigative Accountants the BOD referred to in their announcement was Ferrier Hodgson. The firm was asked by the BOD to look into the accounts of CIM but this is barking at the wrong tree. They should have been asked to investigate the accounts of the Church because that is where the funds are being channelled from. Therefore, their findings that the accounts of CIM are in order is totally irrelevant.

The BOD knows this and the purpose of their mentioning the appointment of "a renowned firm of Investigative Accountants and a firm of Advocates and Solicitors specializing in criminal practice" in the announcement is merely to hoodwink the church members and the public."

All Calvarites ought to know that PG & his right-hand man PO (the then Missions Director) together can sign virtually any amount away from CC's coffers. Since PG has declared at the 28 Mar 2008 AGM that CIM is his personal ministry, then for PG (as CEO of CC) to move the RM 1.9m to CIM (PG's personal ministry) over a 5 years' period is a conflict of interest & also a Criminal Breach of Trust (CBT).

Each & every transfer (that made up the RM 1.9m) is a criminal act by PG & PO; they ought to be put away for stealing from the House of God.

I pray that God will cause the Attorney General, DPP, Police, MACC, etc. to take PG & PO to task for their criminal activities.

Then along comes the BOD who in commissioning the "independent" accountants (IA) gave a brief for the IA to audit the CIM accounts (the recepient) when they ought to be auditing the CC coffers (the giver of the funds).

Not only that, when the the first RM 0.2m X 2 years (of the RM 1.9m) was made known by God to the TTG in the presence of ER, SK & PO, some of the deacons & the Missions Committee members denied that there was such transfers. Obviously they were not aware of such transfers as only PG & PO who made the transfers were aware of them. Yet at the 15 Aug 2008 EGM, we are told by KK Wong that there are minutes to ratify the transfers. Could it be that the minutes were only concocted just before KK Wong saw them?

I pray that God will cause the Attorney General, DPP, Police, MACC, etc. to take BOD to task for their abetment of PG's & PO's criminal activities.

The BOD is a disgrace to all Christians as they seem to fear the man of God (PG) when they should actually be fearing God. The Bible says that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; no wonder the BOD has no wisdom & with their every move in this long drawn saga, they are actually shooting themselves in the foot.

EQUALIZER said...

Since my first contribution, I was not aware of the actions taken by the TTG group. In light of the Police report then I have to say you need to Chase the money Changers out from your Church..PRONTO...i.e now!!. Their exit strategy is to resign and leave and forget about any sort of compensation. Again I repeat myself for the Last time have you have a team ready to take over Tomorrow?? Not only Pastors, BOD, Deacons, but song leaders, ushers, Sunday school teacher, traffic manager, morning tea/coffee, money counter, security ....etc. This is even more urgent now than before the information were made known to me personally.

Now you need to move quicker on the following matter and that means fast track the process:
1. The entire list of current members and ex-members of your church. Your signatory campaign should take you to all those members current and ex. Divide your teams to "convert" those who support blindly the current leadership team. Focus on those members EXCEPT those related to Tan Sri & Family, Pastor and Family, BOD and Family. Reach out to relatives as well. The ability of the TTG group to disseminate information of WHAT Have been Spent so far on the Project is Paramount. In fact I may not even need how much salary the Tan Sri and Gang payroll cost the Church. Information of their salary is just to see how "thick" their skin!! Meanwhile after you have obtain the Spent Cost on the Building, get someone to take pictures on the current progress of the building compared to the Dream Building. From the "What have been spent so far and what have been built so far" .... I will be able to direct you what to do next. Meanwhile as Tan Sri & Gang will try to Spin out of every bloggers comments weekly on Sunday Sermon, you keep working on the signatory campaign. Keep your supporters anonymous. Tan Sri knows how to control the information media in your Church but use the Internet to defeat him. Keep this site update regularly(once a week at least and twice as the signatory campaign heats up)

Lastly don't be afraid and seek peace in Jesus. The Tan Sri and Gang are NOT PDRM, Home Minister, Election Commission nor Judiciary, they cannot put you in ISA or charge you with OSA. Get the 2/3 signatures if however it falls short, don't worry the Church is not a Parliamen either. After the Signature campaign its time to take charge and take power. Follow the process and we can then help expose the Scandal further. The Cost Spent so Far and What have been built so far is sufficient for me and many others to decide the future of Calvary Church!! Many here may not attend Calvary Church but we are united in Obliterating EVILS doers and "Money Changer inside Churches". If Ted Haggard former ex-president of the National Association of Evangelicals in America can be thrown out of church and town.....who does these Tan Sri, Datuk, TUN, Dr,crony Pastor & BOD thinks they are??....the "How much Spent so far?", is all that is needed to chase them out of Calvary Church and out of town. Go on and get the people doing house visit with the intention of getting the signature BUT how can people support your cause if you do not inform them how much have been spent and the result so far?? Hope we can see that in the next post....lots of expert out there can calculate "WHAT Should have been completed with the amount Spent"........hope you get my drift/hint....to be continue!!

AXE HEAD said...

PG THE MASTER OF MASTERMINDS

Anyone who cares to piece together all the bits and pieces of the information unearthed in this TTG Cause, will surely be will be able to CONNECT all the MOVES which PG so SUBTLY put in place.. from the MISSIONS Funds, EXTENDED MINISTRIES ( which was Busted by Concerned members who pressed on to the end), to CIM! + the revisions to Church Constitution , Hand Books, to Missions Manual.

PG& PG2 certainly has *'succeeded' in carrying out the GRAND SCHEME of theirs over the years without detection--with his&hers smooth talk and all powerful authoritarian decree he wields over CC as CEO, with the collaboration of BOD who are sold out hook& sinker to his personal agenda.

* Alas, the saying" your sins will find you out" is the case for PG, though he still hides and do all he can to cover-up, making use of those who 'worship' him, as well as , church resources-$$$, staff and facilities to 'defend' himself.

Of course, PG believes he is 'untouchable' by the concerned members of TTG Cause, but we know better, his face-off is with God Almighty.

Anonymous said...

Concerned Christian

After glancing through more of the comments which are posted in the blog, my advice to SP and his appointed BOD is ` IT IS NOT WORTH THE 30 PIECES OF SILVER'not to mention that which is in store for those who cause the children to stumble. Fail not to remember the millstone be hung around your neck and be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Repent and resign PG, you and your appointed BOD while there is still light. Don't follow the path of king Saul or you will find yourself and your yes men in the judgement of God. Don't forget, GOD IS NOT MOCKED. For all that you have done and continuing doing, I think it is appropriate to quote 1 Sam 28 verse 16 which says `Why then do you ask me, since the Lord has departed from you and has become your adversary.' PG, I don't think there is any other option left for you. REPENT AND RESIGN and take your merry men with you.

testimonials said...

heard tat the deacons wrote a letter to the Star to complain that the Star should not have written that article. well, if the article is truly lies, then the Star would certainly come out with a public apology to PG but I don't see any public apology because....what was written are ALL the TRUTH!
If the Star needs any actual testimonials from ex-calvary church members abt PG's real character and how he laundered money from church funds, thanks to the bunch of disappointing deacons, they can come look for us and we will gladly tell them all that happened during AGM and EGM.

servant of the cross said...

The Scriptures says:

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:2 And many will follow their licentiousness, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled.
2 Peter 2:3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words; from of old their condemnation has not been idle, and their destruction has not been asleep.

Remember that our source of all truth is the BIBLE and BIBLE alone and not any man.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous says...

We must realise there is no way SP & cronies will ever repent & resign. From their attitude it is obvious they are using a tactic of totalling ignoring us, not retaliating much, to gain sympathy and support from others. They remain defaint to challenge us to see what we can do to unseat all of them. No point continuing to use scripture to describe their behaviour with the hope they would be convicted and change.

Its now time for planning further actions.

AT POINT BLANK said...

IT WAS FABRICATED MINUTES.

CT "... If you had attended the EGM, you will notice a number of statements in the minutes alluded to KK Wong which he DID NOT say at all. That is creative minuting by PG and the BOD."

To be point blank, since what was minuted by the Secretary, BOD Prof. Benadette Foo was not what was said by KK Wong, then she had Fabricated it herself, or under the directive of PG.

Yes, I remember clearly, a bro. at the AGM actually
challenged her on the Minutes, as he had PROOF-- a taped recording of the EGM. This bro. gave her a copy, so let's see what she will have to say at coming AGM. ( plenty of time for them to manufacture some stories, & to spin more lies)

Now, even with PROOF(in B & W and Recording too) shoved into their faces, PG & all his 'trained' BOD will still maintain they see nothing wrong!

It just confirmed one thing--they are 'agents' of The Liar.

STRICKEN said...

CCC STUCK.
Even at its "abandoned" state, do the members realise the following:
1. the steel rods, etc are rusting away
2 the basements are 'flooded'
3. it is breeding ground for mosquitoes --beware
Dengue!
4. The hoarding " There is Hope" placed at the Site
is a bad testimony.

And of course this means the Congregation's 'TEARS, BLOOD & SWEAT' offering are used wastefully for such useless situation. It's no joke, plenty of $$$ are required to clear-up the debris and the insects/mosquitoes infested grounds of the MEGA CCC, even as it sits abandoned/dead!

And More $$$ required, IF it ever get revived!
to spend on clearing the stagnant water/rain, and
the damaged materials.. oh, one more thing--what about the STORAGE Fees, e.g. the pre fabricated state-of -the art winged Roof?

It will all easily run into Hundreds of Thousands $$$ if not Millions, literary down the Drain.

Have the mislead members awaken yet to PG's shattered 'dream'?

Actually, PG's greatest Nightmare!

Cc voting member said...

These facts are baseless allegations as communicated by BOD because they justified their actions
1. These are perks that are not documented as part of the hr policies
2. Cost overruns are unforeseen
3. These are spiritual attacks
Should we trust a BOD n SP who seems so careless with Church finances? And blame others for their own failures ?
It's time for collective action to rectify the shortcomings
a.Turn off the taps, help divert funds to needy cause or give directly to that need. I think I have been succesful in this endeavours. Don't trust SP/BOD with the finance God has blessed u. It may go into the gym fees, dog food, their grandchild travel
b. Help others understand the crisis and save innocent Christians from the web of deceit in CC. Don't let the leadership make more Pharisees out of them. After I explain to some friends that the blogs was a last resort and that TTG has approached BOD/SP privately for a long time to no avail, the chrsitian friends understand. And our sovereign God has allowed the press to step in.
Hope that our collective efforts can help BOD/SP see the errors of their way.

Sad to see how they have continue to deceive themselves.

Fear not for He will provide said...

Dear Equaliser,

You said: "Again I repeat myself for the Last time have you have a team ready to take over Tomorrow?? Not only Pastors, BOD, Deacons, but song leaders, ushers, Sunday school teacher, traffic manager, morning tea/coffee, money counter, security ....etc. This is even more urgent now than before the information were made known to me personally."

My opinion, if the Lord our God allows it to happen, we do not have to worry about the above. Do you know that there are a lot of members whom served previously "left" for other churches to receive spiritual food because they could not get it from Calvary Church anymore? I am one of them. What are the messages being preached in CC nowadays? From what I understand, no substance, very unhealthy spirit and a lot of justifications for what PG and BOD have done wrong.

When PG and the BOD resign, we will see purification in CC. Many would "returned" to serve again in CC, and CC will eventually become a fountain-head church once again. All these could only happen when PG, PG2 and the BOD humble themselves, repent, seek for forgiveness. I understand that many have spoken to PG, PG2 and the BOD with regards to humbling themselves, repenting and seeking forgiveness from God and the members. But, their hearts are as hard as rock, just like the Pharaohs.

May I request brothers & sisters to kindly pray for the TTG members and their family, for the Lord's protection over them, keeping them safe from harm and danger. Amen!

Anonymous said...

I have been wondering what is the stand of The Committee of The General Assemblies Of God in relation to the misappropriation of funds by PG. In the past I have seen action being taken on pastors who have failed in this area. But not on PG. If that is the case, they are no better than the people in the world. The world can close an eye on the bigger fish but clamp on the smaller ones. Aren't they following the same pattern? Or trying to give excuses such as " Touch Not The Anointed“ a phrase widely and fondly used by church leaders of the Assemblies Of God. How disappointing indeed!

Time May be Up! said...

It appears that PG, pastors and BOD are escaping from worldly institutions for the time being but we know that no one can escape from God's discipline and judgment.

We see the example of King Saul. He seemed to have his way when he pursued David who had to flee from him to save his life. But see how miserable King Saul ended his life. King Saul had a good start but he had a terrible ending.

CC pastors and BOD must learn from the lessons in the Bible, they have been preaching to us to follow the Scriptures. Further BOD also voiced out so many times that CC pastors must end well but why are they also falling into the trap and failing miserably now?

They are running the race for Jesus but somewhere along the way before the end, they were disqualified themselves!

Time to wake up pastors and BOD... lest it becomes too late! God's fire is descending soon.

We earnestly pray that pastors and BOD wake up soonest, make amends and repent before God's time for them to do so expires....

Too bad, soo sad said...

After the Star article on 18 Nov 2009, PG2 (at the Sunday 22 Nov 2009 service at DH) was using 2 athletes at the Olympics as illustrations in her sermon.

First, she shared about Linford Christie who had 2 false starts & he had to sit out the race which continued with an empty lane.

Next, she share about Derek Redman who pulled his hamstring & he then was hobbling to finish the race. Immediately, Derek's father ran down from the stands to help his son to the finishing line.

PG2 was implying that PG has pulled his hamstring & that PG's father (God) will help PG to the finishing line.

After all of PG's misdeeds, I am more inclined to believe that God will NOT be helping PG to the finishing line; instead God (like all of us) will be watching the race with PG's lane being empty because PG is such a LC (not Linford Christie lah, think in Cantonese lah) person.

In the past, I was afraid that PG may NOT finish the race strongly BUT, now thanks be to PG2, I am more incline to believe that PG has been disqualified & he is NO longer in the race.

Too bad, PG.
Soo sad, PG.
Bye bye, PG.

Anonymous said...

Really, really, it is a sad sad day for Christendom in M'sia, specifically so for AOG M'sia. Is AG Council going to keep quiet about the scandal, all because of PG's power, position, fame & fortune, or some sentimental reasons. What about the 500 over Reverends, pastors & credential workers of AG? Do you also tight-lipped? Surely, all is lost, if so.
How can we be the salt & light? how can we be the social conscience - be able to speak against corruption, uphold justice & righteousness. Didn't CFM, CCM & NECF endeavor to do just this. Why are they silent?
Say not the MACC only catch small ikan bilis & avoid big sharks - we have lost the moral right to speak, let alone criticize, haven't we?
PG, for the sake of the church & Christendom, retreat. Because the stake is high & already there is a big question mark above your head. I know, legally one is innocent until proven guilty. But the church is not so free to go to court. Please do not take advantage of this. So, back off now, to avoid further damage.
PG, you can come back, even stronger & more glorious, if in the end you are found innocent.

Anonymous said...

Reading the article in particular to the AOG setting, I am reminded of a case told by a friend of mine regarding this church in Kelana Jaya. Apparently the church secretary would silence the mouths of the members by this popular phrase " Touch Not The Anointed " as if by questioning the pastor's irregular working hours is a great sin to do so. So what happens? Nothing has been changed, I was told.
To cast a doubt on his whereabouts is already a sin. No transparency at all.
How sad indeed!

Pastors' friend said...

Dear Anon 4:05PM

We must not be critical of everything the Pastors do just because of the SP of Calvary Church.

Although I am not a pastor, but I do have many pastor friends. I know that pastors really do not work a 9 to 5 job especially if they are pastors of small church. They have to attend to every thing in the church and take care of everyone if his members.

I heard of this from a small church pastor. members even call him in the night when there is emergency at home. One member even call the pastor to help when his tyre puncture in the highway. So the job of a "real committed pastor is not limited to office hours.

But church workers every where lack proper training in "customer service". They lack PR skills when handling queries. Church workers also lack exposure. They only work and meet christian people who always try to be nice in church and to church workers especially to pastors so when they meet one "black sheep" who ask more questions, they do not know how to handle that.

This is going to be a major problem for churches and members. Churches with "older" generation staff are not going to understand the XYZ generation members. In short it is called GENERATION GAP.

So please don't confuse small "personality clash" issues with what is happening with Calvary Church pastors.

Where is Truth n Honour said...

It is true that churches lack good leadership and sad to say many full time church workers are too sheltered from real life situation and the demands of outside world.

They are very trusting of their pastors as perhaps that is the only example or mentor they may have in their working environment. Hence, there is strong tendency to be hoodwinked and intimidated by wayward and manipulative pastors.

A strong and overwhelming pastor will manipulate his way with the Deacons (and lay leaders) and as they are also trusting people and easily swayed these deacons will also put their necks on the block to be chopped even for the pastor's sake! That is how a lot of cult leaders move in their congregations... quite unknowingly and innocently the followers toll the line then with time, they become all lulled and trapped in the net.

Sad to say even though these deacons may know the Scriptures very well and teach others too, yet they don't apply it to their own lives!

In case of CC BOD from their behaviour and conduct they appear to be rather "blind and dumb" despite they are holding important positions in the secular world.

Their character and intergrity is put into doubt because they did not want to be responsbile for their actions towards members, who voted them in the Board to represent the members' interest and well being. Instead BOD have been shielding and protecting the SP and their own positions!

If they are honourable men and women they should speak out and stand up for the truth, admit the mistakes and wrongs and resign from their positions straightaway.

Why continue to pretend and hide behind the church constitution?
Surely one day everything will be exposed!

S. B Tan said...

Too many Pastors & Leaders today use Bible threats such as “don’t touch God’s anointed” in an effort to silence critics who expose their wrong deeds and un-Scriptural teachings.

They claim the critics are speaking against a ‘Man of God’. This bears a striking resemblance to the situation in 1 Samuel where Saul, whose position was threatened, pursued the man who was innocent.

What does the Bible mean by “do not touch”

Again it is well to clearly define what God means when He says “Do not touch….”. See the scripture in its context.

When God told Saul (His anointed) to “Smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not...” (1 Sam. 15:3) Saul disobeyed and “spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord...” (v.15). Upon which Samuel wasted no time in publicly denouncing Saul’s disobedience, telling him that “rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft”. (v.23), and that God had rejected him as king. The Lord’s ‘anointed’ was verbally condemned by Samuel for his disobedience.

Moreover when David became king he accepted rebuke and correction from Nathan the prophet. He did not say, “don’t touch God’s anointed” to protect himself.

Evidently “touch not” means not to harm or kill him physically in the CONTEXT.

Surely, I don’t think anyone is trying to harm the Prince physically or Kill him.

“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD” (Proverbs 17:150)

Anonymous said...

We have not lost our faith but faith in some pastors - because the Word of God does not seem to reign supreme in their lives but rationalization & sentimentalism.

Anonymous said...

I used to be so proud to be a Calvarite but after that article was published and my non-Christian friends asked about it, I really felt ashamed. Ashamed that the Pastor I used to look up to is guilty of those things listed and ashamed that the BOD are not seeing or admitting where they went wrong. I wish I can tell SP and his whole team to please step down, whether he thinks he is right or otherwise. Much damage has been done through the article and people are looking at Calvary in a negative light.

Calvary calm on ccc??? said...

Hello CT & friends,

There's an article - "Calvary calm on convention centre crisis" by Deborah Peter

http://www.marketing-interactive.com/news/16689

Interesting to note what SK & PO said about this whole issue. Funny again no PG's statement.

truetruth4ever said...

I am not a member of Calvary Church but I observe with full approval of your quest for righteousness, justice and the love of Truth as Christians. Although I take no sides, the way your SP and his BOD behave certainly leave no room for the benefit doubt. His high position does not commensurate with the humble calling of a pastor with so many titles and accolades. One wonders whether he is a pastor at all. It's not the sheep that is lost but the shepherd/s.

Why can't your pastor be like Christ? Anyone, and that includes all observers, can tell that the present stance is never the position of the True Church of God. Wasteful expenses, unhappy congregations, arrogant leaders, etc.... do not reflect what a church is. Its just like the world and its politics - money and power politics.

Your SP has lost all in his effort to build his dream. This became the nightmare of his congregation. Alas what lies and deceptions have beset this church.

Calvary Church faces chaos not crisis. The state of affairs will continue so long as there is unrepentance and on-going denial.

Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

In the final analysis the "body of Christ" will "suffer" there will be "rejection", then be "killed" before "resurrection".

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