Saturday, December 20, 2008

Campaign for a Special Audit

To ALL Calvarites who seek after truth,

It does not matter if you are pro-SP or pro-TTG. Or if you are sitting on the fence or do not want to be involved. You still need to know the truth. All of us want the truth. Truth and righteousness are the hallmarks of Christians. The only way for the truth to be established is for a special audit to be done on the specific events and/or transactions mentioned by Dr Lum and others in the blog.

Below is my letter to our two auditors requesting for a special audit. If you seek after truth, if you are not afraid of the truth, if the truth will set you free then please join me in this request to our auditors. The greater the support from the people of Calvary Church the greater shall be the encouragement and motivation for the auditors to act. Please get all your friends in the Church to support this demand for truth and transparency. If they cannot email, please do it for them.

Please email the following short message to:
Bro Tam Kok Meng at tamkm@adventconsulting.com.my and
Bro Chow Sang Hoe at sanghoechow@gmail.com with
cc to Calvary Today at calvarytoday@gmail.com
(cc to Calvary Today is merely to facilitate the counting of the support as the Campaign progresses)
"Subject: Special audit of specific events and/or transactions in Calvary Church

I endorse and fully support the request of Bro Wong Hong Meng for a special audit on the specific events and/or transactions listed in his letter to you of 20th December 2008.

(Your Name)
(Voting member/associate member/regular worshipper)

Calvary Church”
Calvary Today would keep your name confidential. It would not be posted on the blog. Please do this for the sake of truth and righteousness.

Please identify with truth and righteousness by wearing a white top this Sunday.

With His love and blessings,
Hong Meng

_____________________________________________________________

To: Bro Chow Sang Hoe, Calvary Church auditor
Bro Tam Kok Meng, Calvary Church auditor
cc: Rev Ong Sek Leang, General Superintendent, AOG Malaysia
From: Wong Hong Meng
Date: 20th December 2008
Re: Special audit of specific events and/or transactions
I take comfort that both of you are members of MIA and hold audit licences from the Minister of Finance. You were elected by the members as auditors for Calvary Church at the last AGM in March 2008. You are therefore, jointly and severally, responsible and accountable to the members at general meetings for the audit on the entire church and all its activities including but not limited to the Missions Department, the extended ministries, the auxiliary ministries and the outreaches. I have confirmed with the technical partner of a firm of public accountants that it is right and proper for me, as a member of the Church, to request that certain specific events and/or transactions be subject to a special audit including those that happened or purported to have happened in past years. This is particularly so when there are speculations among members of the Church that these events and/or transactions may not have been properly authorized and/or could be in violation of Church policies or generally accepted accounting principles. I humbly request that you undertake this special audit expeditiously and report your findings to the members in writing by way of a special audit report. You do not need approval from Senior Pastor or the Board of Deacons to do this audit. You are independent, elected by the members and responsible to the members.

Some of these events and/or transactions were alluded to by Dr Lum Siew Heng, the deacon who recently resigned from the Board, in his interview with Calvary Today. Attached are the two parts of the interview posted on Calvary Today for your reference. The revelations by Dr Lum must be given very serious consideration as they came from a Board member directly involved in the discussion on the events and/or transactions. Other events and/or transactions had been alluded to in the comments to the blog postings. I am in no way asserting that the allegations are true. The purpose of my request is for the truth to be established on these purported events and/or transactions so that speculation can stop. As duly elected auditors you have the authority and responsibility to establish the truth through a special audit on behalf of the members of the Church. No restriction or limitation can be placed upon you by Senior Pastor or the Board in the fulfillment of your role as duly elected auditors. If the Board or the Senior Pastor places any restriction on you or if they refuse to answer your questions, you must report the same to the members accordingly.
The following are the events and/or transactions which must be subject to the special audit:
1. That a love gift of USD10,000 was given by Senior Pastor to Pastor Delmer Guynes when he came to chair the EGM on 15 August 2008. This love gift was only informed to the Board and post-fact approval sought two months after the event.
  • Please report back to the members if this is true. I am not questioning the quantum but the payment and approval process.
  • If true, how was the payment made to Pastor Guynes at the time of disbursement? Was the payment in cash and in what currency?
  • Does the Senior Pastor have the authority to approve such a large love gift?
  • Was the post-fact approval minuted by the Board?
  • Was Dr Lum’s objection minuted?
  • Did Pastor Guynes acknowledge receipt?
  • Who financed the payment if it was not paid from the Church petty cash?
  • If a cheque was issued and then encashed, who signed the cheque? A cheque of more than RM5,000 requires one of the signatories to be the Church Secretary or Treasurer or another deacon.
  • If one of them had signed the cheque before Board approval, would this be a violation of the By-Laws of the Church as well as their cheque signing mandate?
  • Would you as auditors deem such a practice as acceptable?
  • Would post-fact approvals be the norm for the Board of Deacons of Calvary Church?
  • What would be your recommendation to the Board on this practice?
2. That the Missions Department paid for the overseas airfares for one of Senior Pastor’s grandchildren as well as the son of a deacon.
  • Please report back to the members if this is true.
  • Although the payments may have been approved by the Board, would you consider these payments, if true, to be proper and in compliance to Church policies?
  • Would the payment of airfare for Senior Pastor’s grandchild fall within the terms of employment of Senior Pastor or those of the child’s parents?
  • Would the children of other pastors or church workers be entitled to such benefits?
  • If yes, please let the members know which other children have benefited from this.
  • If no, then what was the justification from the Missions Director for the payment?
  • Was this payment declared as a taxable benefit in kind in the EA form of the child’s parents?
  • Would the payment for the deacon’s son fall within any scheme of service for the deacons of the Church?
  • Was this payment, if true, approved and minuted by the Board and/or the Missions Committee?
  • If not approved by the Board or the Missions Committee who approved it?
  • Does the person have the authority to approve such payments?
  • If yes, which other deacon had benefited from this provision?
  • If no, then what was the justification from the Missions Director for the payment for the deacon’s son?
  • Was this payment declared as a taxable benefit in kind in the EA form of the deacon?
  • If no EA form had been issued for the deacon would you deem this to be an incident of possible tax evasion?
3. That Pam Guneratnam and Jim Guneratnam were given scholarships to study in the United States by the Church.
(When the scholarship was given to Pam Guneratnam, I personally checked with Dr Paul Nah, a deacon at that time. His answer to me was that if the Church did not give the scholarship, Senior Pastor would have to borrow money to finance her education. I was very surprised.)
  • Please verify and report back to the members if one or both of Senior Pastor’s children were given scholarships by the Church.
  • How much money was expended on the scholarships, if any, and over what period?
  • Would the scholarship cover Pam Guneratnam’s post-graduate studies?
  • Were these scholarships, if true, approved and minuted by the Board?
  • Does the Church have a scholarship scheme for the children of pastors and church workers?
  • If yes, which other pastors’ children had received the scholarship?
  • If no, then what was the justification for the scholarships given to Senior Pastors’ two children?
  • Would the scholarships for Senior Pastor’s two children fall within the terms of employment for Senior Pastor?
  • If the scholarships were not part of the general scheme of service of the Church, were the payments declared as a taxable benefit in kind in the EA form for Senior Pastor?
4. That medical expenses amounting to approximately RM40,000 was paid from Church funds for Senior Pastor’s grandchild soon after birth.
  • Please verify and report back to the members if this is true. I am not questioning the provision of financial assistance in the face of an unusual medical condition. I seek to understand Church policy on such payments and the approval process.
  • Was it within the terms of employment for the child’s parents?
  • Was this payment approved and minuted by the Board?
  • Was the payment within the general scheme of service for pastors and church workers?
  • If yes, which other pastors’ children had received this medical benefit?
  • Was the benefit made available to Pastor David Seah?
  • If no, then what was the Board justification for this differential in treatment?
5. That the Church reimbursed Senior Pastor RM15,000 for his membership fees at the Jackie Chan’s California Fitness gym in Mid-Valley.
  • Please verify and report back to the members if this is true.
  • Was the payment within the terms of employment for Senior Pastor?
  • How long after Senior Pastor joined the Fitness club as a member was the reimbursement requested?
  • Is the membership in the name of the Church or in the personal name of Senior Pastor?
  • Any other pastor or church worker given this benefit?
6. That in the eleven years that Dr Lum was on the Board Senior Pastor had never declared the monies he received from his local and overseas ministries to the Board of Deacons.
  • Please check the Board minutes to determine if this is true.
  • Is it also true for Senior Associate Pastor?
  • Are all other pastors and church staff required to declare to the Board or a superior authority all monies received in their ministries?
  • If all others are required to declare and if Senior Pastor and Senior Associate Pastor are not, what is the Board’s justification for this departure from policy?
  • If the policy also applies to Senior Pastor and Senior Associate Pastor, please obtain from them a declaration as to the total amount of all such monies received from both local and overseas ministries for the last twelve years.
  • Please also obtain from them a declaration whether the monies were brought back into Malaysia or deposited off-shore.
7. That our Ampang outreach Pastor, Sister Adeline Koh, was paid a salary of RM250 a month over the past 7-8 months.
  • Please verify and report to the members if this is true.
  • Please also verify if she was living in the store room of the Church.
  • Is the RM250 per month within the salary range of the Church for this category of staff?
  • Are there others earning a similar salary?
  • Is there any staff of similar qualification and with similar ministry responsibilities earning a significantly different salary?
  • Who determined the salary for Sister Adeline Koh?
  • Does the person have the authority to determine the salary?
  • Is this treatment of Sister Adeline Koh, if true, in violation of Malaysian labour laws?
8. That the love offering collected at a youth meeting for Rev. Phil Stevenson from the Perth International City Church was never given to him.
  • Please check with the youth leaders to verify and report back to the members if this is true.
  • Apparently the collection was announced and made in his presence. Was Pastor Phil aware of the collection?
  • What was the amount collected?
  • If not given to Pastor Phil, where did the money end up? Into which fund or account?
  • Who made this decision?
  • Does he/she have the authority to make this decision?
  • What was the justification for the decision not to give the collection to Pastor Phil?
  • What was the amount given to Pastor Phil as a love gift?
  • Please seek written confirmation if there are other similar instances where offerings were collected for a specific invited speaker and then not given to the speaker?
9. That the salaries (stipend) of Senior Pastor's children and their spouses are not made known to the Board. Their annual appraisals are done by Senior Pastor and he decides with the deacon for human resource on their salary increments, unknown to the other deacons.
  • Please verify and report back to the members if this is true.
  • If true, what is the Board justification of their acceptance of this practice?
  • Please also verify if the annual increments over the last few years given to Senior Pastor’s children and spouses were reasonable when compared to other pastors and staff of the Church.
  • Are there any other pastor or staff whose annual appraisal and/or salary and annual increment are not made known to the entire Board of Deacons?
  • Do you as auditors find this practice acceptable?
  • What recommendation would you give to the Board?
The people in Calvary Church need to know the truth. We deserve the truth. You have the ability and the power to give us the truth. Please do not disappoint us. Let the truth set us free.
Thanking you.
Yours in Christ, Signed:
Wong Hong Meng
p.s. This memo would be released to the people of Calvary Church.

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    Truth Prevails said...

    Calvary Church, Kuala Lumpur, has become a place where the pastors habitually practise spiritual abuse! I am devastated to see such an ugly display of abuse of power in the church where I had come to know, to love and to serve the LOrd!

    Lord, root out the wicked shepherds who abuse and prey on Your sheep! Hasten, Lord, and deliver Your people! Amen!

    Anonymous said...

    Maybe PG got the Tan Sri becos of his showmanship and good acting in front of the church congreagation just like Sharukh Khan!

    Who to blame? The naive congregation who are sleeping sheeps. Surely these sheeps need to wise up and get another shepherd. Right?

    New Beginning said...

    People have been asking what are doing to resolve the issue.

    I just dont have the answer but I believe 2009 will be the year of the NEW BEGINNING.

    Don't Play Play said...

    Some people have been asking why is the CT blog so quiet lately. Well, it could be that people are all in a holiday mood & then again the church office is closed.

    I can only quote what someone had said previously that "when Nothing seems to be happening, God is up to Something".

    We just need to be patient that God will deliver in His Time. Recognising that the battle in CC is NOT ours but His then all we can do in the meantime is to just uphold it to God in prayer.

    To God Be The Glory !

    God's Ways are Sure said...

    Let us be humble and heed the Word of God:

    Ezekiel 22:23-31
    "And the word of the Lord came to me saying, "Son of man, say to her:'You are a land that is not cleansed or rained on in the day of indignation.'

    The conspiracy of her prophets in her midst is like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured people;

    they have taken treasure and precious things; they made many widows in her midst.

    Her priests have violated My Law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between holy and unholy,

    nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

    Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey; to shed blood, to destroy people, and get dishonest gain.

    Her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar, seeing false visions, and divining lies for them, saying 'Thus says the Lord God,'

    when the Lord had not spoken.

    The people of the land have used oppressions, committed robbery, and mistreated the poor and needy; and they ahve wrongfully oppress the stranger.

    So I sought for a man among them who could build a wall and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it;

    but I found no one.

    Therefore I have poured out My indignation on them; I have consumed them with fire of My wrath;

    and I have recompensed their deeds on their own heads," says the Lord GOD. "

    God is looking, watching out and is fully aware of all the happenings in CC. Nothing is hidden from Him though it may seem Pastors and BOD can hide from men.

    God is moving and working in His Own supreme ways! Surely God will redeem His people!

    Come Lord Jesus .. come in Your own gentle ways. Come sweet Spirit I pray...

    I commit all our requests in Jesus' Wonderful Name.

    AMEN

    Karen said...

    You are right, "Don't Play Play",
    Most of us are enjoying the school holiday time, Christmas and the ushering in New Year together with our families and friends.

    We started the New Year yesterday having fellowship in a church members house. In our midst, was a couple of ex-calvarites who are prayer warriors today, who have been in the prayer ministry for many years now. Their presence with us brought so much encouragement to us. The gathering which was planned as a time of fellowship and "makan" took a turn, to be a time of prayer and reading the Bible. It was indeed a time of renewal in our spirits. Most of us felt the fresh annointing of the Lord upon us individually.

    When I checked my emails last night, I received this devotional thought from www.fcci.org

    "Answering the Call…
    …with Intentionality in 2009!

    God is so incredibly intentional. Even when we can’t see or understand the “why” of something, we can have no doubt that God is at work … and with a purpose.

    One of those intentional things that God does is to give us the beginning of a New Year right after the celebration of Christmas. Christmas elicits so many kinds of responses, both personal and professional – joy, gratitude, amazement, loneliness, emptiness, pain, guilt, assurance, love, antipathy, anger, frustration … just to name a few – and many of those responses carry with them a sense of needing to do something, to correct something, to start something, to BE something.

    … and along comes a clean slate to do just that … 2009. It has God’s fingerprints all over it … it’s intentional.

    [The author also quoted Robert Tamasy who suggests four key points in a Godly planning process:
    www.cbmcint.org]

    1) Know the purpose behind your plans.

    "All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord" Proverbs 16:2)

    "All a man's ways seem right to him, but the Lord weighs the heart" Proverbs 21:2)

    2) Utilize the right resource for carrying out your plans.

    "Trust in the Lord and do good; dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture. Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart" (Psalm 37:3-4)

    3) Have the right focus for your plans.

    "Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and your plans will succeed"
    (Proverbs 16:3)

    4) Seek guidance for clarifying your plans.

    "In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps" (Proverbs 16:9)

    What great advice for keeping our planning God-centered and Kingdom-focused.

    We are thankful that we started the year 2009 on the right note by committing the cause of TTG to the Lord with singing, praising, reading the Bible and praying for God's hand to be upon all of us.

    We are planning to call for a week of fasting and prayer next week so
    be prepared everyone.

    God bless and may we resolve in our hearts that this year, 2009will be a year where we all will be more committed to KNOW GOD MORE, LOVE GOD MORE AND SERVE GOD MORE.

    KC said...

    Throughout history, the martyr of a Christian has always paved the way for God to intervene, destroy the enemy and bring forth a great revival.

    In the Bible, Stephen was the first martyr and he was a deacon. He was killed by self-righteous and hypocritical religious leaders because he spoke the Truth.(Read the article on Stephen at http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/stephen.htm)

    Very, very similarly, our deacon, Dr Lum has become our first "martyr", having been axed from membership for standing up for the truth.

    I believe that we shall soon see God's intervention in our hurting church, and following that, a great mighty revival in Calvary. All glory to God.

    RC2 said...

    Please...don't spiritualise Lum's removal. You people are now beginning to feel the pinch of your actions. You have been given enough rope to hang yourselves. Congratulations. Oh BTW I still don't see the sea of white anywhere during the services.....

    ONE BY ONE said...

    RC2 you sounded very arrogant. To make a change, we don't need a sea of whites. Remember the late Mahatma Gandhi? Nelson Mandela? Paul/Saul in the bble? If God is with us, who can be against us. The TRUTH shall set us FREE. ALL GLORY BE UNTO THE LORD.

    Living Deceptively said...

    RC2 you are definitely a strong supporter of PG. Such blindness! Ask yourself do we have a genuine, good, caring and spiritual shepherd - who the Lord and the congregation would be proud of?

    Today's Daily Bread reads:

    2 Tim 3:13 "Evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." To deceive is to make others believe falsehood as truth and accept wrong as right.

    We all must commit ourselves to the Lord to open our eyes and then apply God's Word, asking the Lord to make us persons of integrity.

    KC said...

    Dear RC2

    Please don't get too concerned over my comments. Instead, you should be more concerned for the deacons and SP.

    The higher the calling, the greater the responsibility and you will agree that they have a higher calling. If just one Christian stumbles because of what they have done or fail to do or if they have betrayed the trust of the church members in any way or if they have done injustice to any one member, God's judgment will be heavier on them.

    not enough white outfit said...

    To : RC 2

    i thank God for you, you know why, you said that you canot see the sea of white in the church, you are somehow telling me that you are and the church leadership is fully aware of the struggle, that also showed that the many and many out there are reading this blog and is fully concern..praise the Lord.

    if we chose not to wear white, it does not mean we are not for TTG, you know why, we and many of us do not have enough of white outfit, as simple as that...

    Pinocchio said...

    Hi RC2

    Let's reason together

    PG DR.LUM
    YES NO DROP TOWEL IN CLUB
    YES NO FOUND IN SUN COMPLEX
    YES NO BETRAYED CHURCH MEMBERS
    YES NO TRANSFER MONEY 4 OWN USE
    YES NO USE CHURCH MONEY 4 TRAVEL

    If you are not sure of the above please check with PG.

    Oh no!!!!! PG will tell you more lies

    ooooooopsie
    my nose grew loooooooooooooonger

    Anonymous said...

    Can someoe tell me why cannot go to Sun Complex?

    sun complex said...

    aiya anonymous, why u so innocent?

    sun complex famous for prosti....in those days , way back some 25 to 30 years ago...
    so now u know, wat Pg did then, u better go check out urself fr many oldies in de church...kekeke

    Twisting Words said...

    I heard many erroneous statements and misrepresentations from the pulpit before and today too.

    I also noted there is a lot of twisting and manipulation of Scriptures to fit PG's line of arguments today eg. there were several repetitions about "stealing another's reputation". Seriously, what is that? Jesus definitely was not referring to stealing another's reputation in the episode with the rich young ruler.

    But today PG twisted the Word, you see many more examples if you listen carefully.

    Another case of misrepresentation: CIM returns church funds but PG says CIM "released the moneys to Church". What does that mean? Twisting again to suit PG's line of argument.

    But we know God knows the Truth and nothing can be hidden.

    If TTG did not raise the matter would the funds have been returned no it would most likely have been kept there until an opportune time to be used for reasons best known to CIM owners.

    So who is making erroneous statements and misrepresentations from the pulpit?

    Who is the real offender you judge yourself?

    Here in Calvary Church, the one who spoke up for the Truth is being victimised by BOD, who are actually supposed to stand up for Truth & Righteousness in CC. What an irony and a shame!

    Yes n No said...

    Strange things are happening in CC.

    PG -- DrLum
    YES - NO -- Church money transfer to personal account
    YES - NO -- Drop towel in club
    YES - NO -- Found in Sun Complex
    YES - NO -- Use Church money for gym
    YES - NO -- Use church money 4 travel

    Actually who should be removed from membership??????

    SOMETHING IS WRONG !!!!!
    SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG
    SOMETHING IS SURELY WRONG !!!!!
    SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG !!!!!
    SOMETHING IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!!!!

    WHAT'S WRONG ???????????

    I am also trying to understand the perspective on why Dr. Lum is removed.

    SM said...

    Yeah, PG has been twisting scriptures. Just recently, during his preaching, he asked "God loves a what giver???" The entire congregation shouted "cheerful" but he retorted "generous, God loves a generous giver".

    Everyone was dumb-founded!!!

    Refuse to be Fooled said...

    Key Words for yesterday's sermon by PG : Sell, Give, Follow.

    Key Application thoughts for us to Ponder:
    Does PG, PG2, APs and BOD do the same or they just do lip service?
    PG and APs tell others to apply Scriptures and warn of consequences if we do not heed the Word, but seriuosly do they apply the same measure to judge others as well as for themselves?

    PG says sell does not mean literally selling, it just means ownership belongs to God. Give does not mean literally giving it means making available.

    You see that is twisting Scriptures again to suit PG's arguments!

    All to sooth the listeners' ears and to lull them into submission and obedience to PG's interpretation not God's meaning and intention. You see in CC only PG's interpretation is correct. BUT we shall not be fooled anymore!

    CC Pastors and BOD have not been accountable and responsible to members and worshippers in CC so we shall not be bluffed anymore!

    We desire to know the Truth nothing BUT the Truth. Indeed the Truth shall set CC free!

    We eagerly await the day when we are all set free from the bondages of fear, blindness and deception in CC! Hallelujah!

    SoonLing said...

    I did a prayer walk in church yesterday.
    Half walk through the message, I walk out to the washroom. And instead of going back to my seat, I felt I needed to do a prayer walk around the church.

    And so I did, I felt so lifted up.

    I had a wonderful time praising and worshiping the Lord God Almighty.

    May I suggest prayer walk around the church each time you are not listening to the particular preacher.

    Let's do a prayer walk !!!!!

    Let's bind

    the Jezebel spirit
    the spirit of lies
    the spirit of disunity
    the spirit of deception
    the spirit of manipulation
    the spirit of coveteousness

    In Jesus Wonderful Name
    Amen

    Prayer changes things

    Karen Wong said...

    just a few things :

    1. for those who have been removed from leadership or membership, do not despair. THis is but temporary. Removing one from a church membership doesn't quite remove us from God's family.


    2. I am only back here for a holiday but will certainly wear white on Sunday (actually had to go out and buy a white top!)

    3. For PG supporters, please realise that from an outsider point of view, I can see that this is not a conspiracy against PG but a way to help PG back onto the straight and narrow.

    And should PG prefer the wide and easy road, then he should at least go there himself and not take the rest of the church with him, or use the church to get there.

    From what i can see, there are only 2 possible conclusions to the cause these problems;

    1) PG & his gang are delusional and truly does not realise that they are wrong OR

    2) PG and his gang do not actually believe in the bible, hence, there is no fear of God's judgement upon them.

    Therefore, members of CAlvary, you need to stand up and guide your pastor and his supporters back onto the straight and narrow or find a new God fearing Pastor to be your Shepherd.

    No Hide n Seek said...

    Hello Karen,

    From what has happened over the years and months it is apparent that both your deductions are not quite accurate.

    Rather we observe that: PG and his gang are aware of the wrongs they have done but due to pride and stubbornness they refused to acknowledge they are wrong.

    In particular BOD is to be blamed because they have acted irreponsibly and intentionally supported PG and PG2 even when they have been approached by various concerned members way back in March 2008. They acted cowardly and ignored standing up for the Truth and Righteousness.

    Instead now PG, PG2, APs and BOD are doing all they can to cover their wrongs namely:

    i.Using the criminal lawyers and forensic auditors to render opinions to justify their acts and refusing to let concerned members know the exact contents of the opinions even they were asked for;

    ii.Conducting the high handed EGM and throwing out the 7 Resolutions tendered by Concerned Members;

    iii. Returning the CIM moneys to church but PG camouflaged it by saying "CIM released the moneys";

    iv. BOD issuing their own erroneous statements of lies and justifications in order that the Truth cannot be exposed to members and worshippers;

    v.Chopping off Dr Lum from membership roll of CC when he stood up for the Truth whilst BOD were the very ones obstructing Justice and Truth;

    vi.Using various closed doors Leaders' Meetings to do cover-ups and telling more lies to try to stop the Truth from surfacing;

    vii. PG and APs misusing the pulpit and twisting the Scriptures to lecture down on targeted groups in church, further to subtlely induce members and worshippers to give and give to CC under the pretext of carrying out God's vision to PG.

    Of course the root cause of the whole event is PG as he started well BUT now it is very obvious that PG and PG2 are not ending well. In fact it is going to be rather embarrassing exit.

    BOD you said all along PG and PG2 have to end well but what has happened? You did not do well to advise and guide them and yourselves to end well too?

    BOD so how? What are you doing now?
    Still hiding as you did since 1 March 2008?

    PG and family must go said...

    Both No Hide and seek and Karen have a point. The BOD is certainly to be blamed for being in denial and misusing phrases like 'Let God be God' to continue letting PG and family misuse church funds. But I believe PG and his G family really do think that they are right in doing what they have been doing all this while. PG and his wife and children think that the church belongs to them and so, they can do whatever they want to with the church funds. They have reached the point of no return as they refuse to acknowledge that they have sinned against God and do not deserve to continue being in the CC leadership. They all need to resign and be given disciplinary action by AG Council. BOD also needs to resign for being so spineless.

    Psalm 37:1-4 said...

    Psalm 37:1-4 (KJV):

    1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers,
    neither be thou envious
    against the workers of iniquity.

    2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,
    and wither as the green herb.

    3 Trust in the LORD,
    and do good;
    so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

    4 Delight thyself also in the LORD;
    and he shall give thee
    the desires of thine heart."

    Psalm 37:1-4 said...

    Psalm 37:1-4 (KJV):

    1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers,
    neither be thou envious
    against the workers of iniquity.

    2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,
    and wither as the green herb.

    3 Trust in the LORD,
    and do good;
    so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

    4 Delight thyself also in the LORD;
    and he shall give thee
    the desires of thine heart."

    RC2 has a point! said...

    I notice a lot of the pastors and leaders wearing white ... EVEN PG!!! ...

    We need to choose a better color!!!!!


    Yellow???? Anybody???

    Ah Beng said...

    Hi RC2 has a point!

    Please DO NOT confuse the Concerned Calvarites here. It doesn't matter that PG, BOD & APs are wearing White perhaps to confuse the people.

    What matters is that we should identify the non-Whites & talk to them to enlighten them about PG's misdeeds & to get them to read the Truth at CT.

    Btw, Jesus is always portrayed in White & White is universally accepted to stand for Purity & Truth.

    Anonymous said...

    The Sheeps must teach the Shepherd a good lesson. What kind of Shepherd does CC have?

    I left CC after the shit were uncovered and has not regretted one bit!

    Now I am happily worshipping and getting spiritual food or should I say spiritual buffet with SIBKL.

    Senior pastor Dr. Chew Weng Chee is such a humble and god fearing person. His teachings are first class! I heard he got a Master degree in Theology from a University in Canada.

    The wife who is also a Medical doctor is full time... not fool time OK!

    Small size... I think must be XXS but packs a punch when she talks about God. She really is all fired and fervent for God. Never talk Cock and Bull onelah.

    No joke! Don't continue to worship in CC and get TOXIC food. Eventually Die onelah.

    Please... there are many other good senior pastors and churches around.

    Another good church which I visited some time back is DUMC. The senior pastor takes time to talk around before and after church services to get to know the sheeps.

    Not bad onelah.

    Still I recommend SIBKL. It is going to be a world class CHURCH.

    AMEN! PASTOR CHEW .... CHIA YEW... ADD OIL.

    Anonymous said...

    For those Calverites who are thinking of getting some real spiritual food, here is a short write up of Pastor Dr. Chew Weng Chee of SIBKL....+ plus his pint size wifey... Pastor Dr. Liew Lee Choo.

    Ps Dr Chew was a Consultant Obstetrician and Gynaecologist before he gave up his medical career to serve the Lord full time in 1999.

    He graduated with a Masters degree in Theology from the Regent College Bible School, Vancouver in 1993. Till March 2007, he was the President of SIB (Sidang Injil Borneo), Semenanjung, overseeing 31 Bahasa Malaysia churches throughout West Malaysia. Ps Chew has ministered extensively in Conferences and Church Camps both locally and overseas.

    Ps Chew is also the Senior Pastor of SIB (KL), a rapidly growing English congregation. Ps Chew is married to Ps Dr Lew Lee Choo, a paediatrician, and has 2 sons, Jonathan and Christopher.

    Ps Dr Lew Lee Choo is a graduate of Edinburgh Medical school. A Paediatrician, she gave up her profession to become a full time pastor in 1998 after returning from her theological studies form Regent College , Vancouver. Currently she is the Cell Connector in SIB (KL) and overlooks the Adult , Young Adult and Ladies cell groups. She is also the pastor in charge of the Worship, Media and Creative arts ministries as well as the Prayer Ministry in SIB (KL) .

    Ps Lee Choo is a well known speaker and together with her husband has taken many conferences both in Malaysia and abroad. She is well known for her passion for God and to raise up women and young people for 'such a time as this'!


    Better still visit the website...

    http://www.sibkl.org.my/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39&Itemid=5

    Anonymous said...

    In year 2001 my mother died....

    She was lying in hospital for almost 1 month suffering from stomach cancer.

    She could not eat anymore because the stomach portion joining the intestines were blocked.

    She was intraveneouly fed some essential liquids for almost the same period.

    She remained jovial, positive and her attitude was first class. The reason being... she could not understand the seriousness of the disease. She remains like that till she passed away.

    Sometimes ignorance is good.

    In this case of calvary... can it be good?

    Anyway our family requested an Indian pastor to try to withness to her.

    You see this Indian pastor married a Chinese wife and always claims that he is Chinese.

    I did not want to dispute his claim and told my mother that he is Chinese.

    She started talking to him in Chinese but he could not understand one thing!

    You see in this God's business ... especially Pastors, Senior Pastors, BOD... DON'T LIE

    Because of his arrogance and lies, he could not withness to my mother...sad. indeed.

    Please lah

    Anonymous said...

    If enough facts and details are made available to the whole church will the congregation continue to support the senior pastor PG and the BOD?

    I seriously doubt it.

    If this Sunday only 10 people attends the Calvary... got problem or not!

    Do something anything but the right thing.

    Come on lah

    RC2 said...

    Maybe you guys should wear a clown's outfit then there will be absolutely and utterly no confusion. After all, you and all you say is one great big joke....anyone with half a brain and a sense of justice can see that it's nonsense that you are posting and commenting in this blog.THAT'S the real reason why there's no sea of white. You all just have a handful of supporters, all from your own nasty little niche....

    LOL said...

    RC2, you are indeed a big joke and should be wearing the clown's outfit yourself. You say the stuff posted here is nonsense and yet you come in to enjoy it. LOL. Ha! Ha!

    black dot on collar said...

    Hello, those pg supporter or pastor who wear white, i have asuggestion, just add a black on your collar, then, u can distinguish urself fr TTG lor, afterall, de black dot symbolised the blemish that had occured...hehehehe..

    In Jesus Name said...

    Father God, I rebuke RC2 in the Name of Jesus for going against truth and righteousness, for supporting evil and the work of the enemy. I pray that you will open his/her eyes and repent of his/her ignorance and arrogance.

    In Jesus Name I pray,Amen.

    SM said...

    Dear RC2, what does RC2 stand for?
    Real Clown, too? or Rude Clown Clown?

    Charles said...

    I totally agree with RC2.... you TTG guys should wear clown suit every sunday (maybe even everyday). I have read through all the TTG articles and comments, nothing is worth the serious action that is mentioned here. You guys are a bunch of nonsense, may God give you wisdom & direction. Believe in God not in man.

    Wait and See said...

    Charles & RC2,

    You two are obviously blind, deaf and dumb as you are bent on supporting wrong.

    Why so protective of CC leadership who have not been truthful, just or right? You are trying to do "tai chi" when you know that there are wrongdoings and yet you "sokong" all the sins.

    Calling TTG a "bunch of nonsense"... Just wait and see and you will know the Truth.

    God knows the hearts of all men. We submit ourselves to Almighty God, the Ultimate Judge of men.

    Justice, Truth and Righteousness shall prevail.

    Just wait and see....Can you escape from God's eyes?

    Naomi said...

    Dear All, forget about this shady Charles character. He is obviously being used by the devil to create confusion. His words carry no water and are a bunch of nonsense if u ask me.

    charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    Dear TTG, Dr. Lum & HM,

    Your words carry no water, you keep on bringing issues without any prove and keep on stacking lies upon lies... only those ignorant of the Bible and the redemptive work of Jesus will believe you.

    Alot of people here are just so interested of some juicy romours and gossip... that they just blindly believe every mentioned here (CT).... hello this is Calarrytoday..... not MT (Malaysia today)... please don't believe all the nonsense being published here.

    Truth Prevails said...

    Charles & RC2 are merely puppets in the hands of the puppet-master, Prince Guneratnam!

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    Dear Truth Prevails,

    I talk facts, I don't imply anything,

    Btw, Truth Prevails is not a name. hehe.

    Thanks & God bless

    Sad State said...

    Charles,

    You are obviously living in grave deception and you cannot discern between right and wrong.

    You are obviously hero worshipping PG and family.

    It is fine so why don't you and all the other sympathetic, diehard supporters of PG and BOD give and give for CCC to cover the entire sum of balance still to be raised for completion of CCC?

    Please go ahead and exercise all the faith you have and finish the CCC project without appealing to the others and public for more and more funds.

    We refused to be fooled anymore.
    You like to fool go ahead and face the final outcome. If you think PG and family and BOD are saints go ahead...so sacrificial and giving and did so much good for CC. Whose glory are you alluding to? To PG and family or to God?

    You pretend to be so religious and righteous but really do you care for the Name of God?

    May God open your eyes and ears and your heart to discern the Truth. Living in a state of denial is a sad and dangerous condition.

    Democratic Country said...

    Dear Charles

    I feel very sorry for you. You are really blinded by your loyalty to PG and family. I pray that God will remove the scales from your eyes.

    If you do not like what is written in this blog, plse do not blog in. You have a choice.

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    Dear Sad State, if God speak to me to sell all my property and give it to CCC, I will do it... remember God needs to talk to me not mere man. Thanks for your encourging words.

    Dear Democratic country, I'm not loyal to anyone, my loyalty belong to Jesus Christ. My sole purpose of blogging here, is provide some clarity to those young one who are easily swayed by some of your unfounded allegations.

    In God We Trust said...

    Charles,

    What facts are you talking about? It is all blatant lies and cover ups. Same tricks we can detect all the while as with PG, APs and BOD.

    Still doing your "tai chi" tricks and side kicks? No one believe you or PG and BOD already. They have lost all their credibility; the longer the matters are dragged the worst the outcome. Their speech and conduct, preaching, lifestyle, behavourial patterns displayed so far and real testimonies already tell it all.

    No matter how you try to justify we have lost all confidence and trust in PG, APs and BOD already.

    We believe God is faithful, just and sovereign and He is the Judge of all men.

    Hallelujah our God Reigns!

    God is in control said...

    Dear Charles,

    You have a choice.
    You have a choice to give to church or not to give.
    You have a choice to think that TTG is telling lies
    You have a choice to say what you think or what you like.
    You have a choice

    But PG reputation is gone, finish!!!
    Money collected for Faith Promise reduced. This is a fact. Read your CMNN report.
    Offerings collected on Sundays also drop!
    So it does not matter what you think.
    God has allowed all this to happen.
    Every body in the Corporate World knows something is not right with Calvary Church.
    How come they know? God has allowed this to happen also.

    So you can not bluff our Heavenly Father. He knows everything and has allowed things to happen.

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    Dear In God We Trust said, nothing to say to you, you are going round and round... where is your point.

    Dear God is in control said, I do not have a choice to give or not to give to God (to the church God has place me)... it is commandment of God that 1/10 belongs to Him, if I don't give I rob God (read Malachi)

    Please brother and sister in Christ see how confused the bloggers here are...... they don't even know biblical principles.... how can we trust their lies and unfounded allegations.

    Be rooted in the word of God while your eyes is fized on Jesus.

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    By the way the reputation of the church and the pastor has been damages by people like you (TTG, Dr. Lum, HM) because of your unfounded allegation and using the power of the internet to spread the lies.

    People seems to believe whatever they read in blogs, please any tom dick and harry can say anything they want period..... only believe blog that have good reputatios... not those that spread lies.

    not to response to emmail of Charles said...

    hi ladies and gentlemen

    do not response to charles email, this is may be a trap. beware, he will trap you with your email response, and blacklist you. he is trying to fish contact for his own reasons...

    to the innocent young students:

    please do not reply or response to Charles email, he may trap you too. your name will then be deleted as member in the church..why should he suggest emailing him, anyone can response?

    God is in Control said...

    Dear Charles,

    God is still in control whether the thing is good or bad. Looks like God has allowed good things and bad things to happen in CC.

    PG reputation is finished. God has allowed this to happen.

    Even the corporate world, the business world, knows what is happening in CC. God has allowed this to happen also.

    All the things said in Calvary Today is not hear say.
    The Lake Club incident is not hear say. I challenge you to go ask Prince Guneratnam about it!!!
    The Lake Club did and enquiry and kicked him out. Go ask Prince Guneratnam your self!!!!

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    Dear not to response to emmail of Charles,

    Hiyoh... what trap.... I'm sorry I'm not as good as some of you here... trying to trap the young 1 and make them confuse.

    My purpose of giving email is for further contact, you may not want to reveal you identity if you want to contact.

    Trap... hehehe.. you are making me giggle...

    I will respond to you comments, as I have urgent tele-con. Talk to u guys (or gals) later.

    Charles??? What's that??? said...

    Let's not waste time with this guy Charles. He can have his own opinions and beliefs. Let him continue to be in his cocoon. Charles...oh Charles...

    Read between the lines said...

    Let us continue to TURN OFF THE TAP (TOTT). I remember a deacon once said to me, the TTG members can stop giving if they wish to. CC don't need their money. Let's do exactly that. Let us continue TOTT to CC but continue giving to the deserving churches and organizations.

    A frequent visitor said...

    I'm not shy to claim that I'm a frequent visitor to this blogspot. Charlie, why're you so concerned that the young Calvarites will be misguided and unduly influenced visiting calvarytoday.

    This is the 21st century and most of the younger ones are better informed than the older generation on various subject including understanding God's Word.

    Don't you under-estimate the younger generation as they will be the nation's future leaders.

    Don't hurt the young's self-esteem.

    Thank you for listening....

    In God We Trust said...

    The Whole Duty of Man

    Ecclesiastes 12: 13-14

    "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

    Fear God and keep His commandments,
    For this is man's all.

    For God will bring every work into judgment,

    Including every secret thing,
    whether good or evil."

    There is no point to dwell on vain talk and arguments. God is the final Judge and He is on the side of Truth.

    Hallelujah our God Reigns!

    Wait n See said...

    Charles,

    Call what you like but God is aware who are the real liars and who is spinning lies in CC!

    Eventhough you pretend and act as though you are right, you still have to go through God's testing. You can argue your case till your face turns blue. God's laws cannot be compromised.

    In the end the truth will be obvious so wait and see. Every hidden thing will be exposed!

    Then we will know who has been telling lies and who has been deceived by whom.

    Younger Person said...

    I am a younger person attending Calvary and I really hope adults like Charles will not look down at us as being so easily influenced by people. We may be younger but we know how to use our heads as well as see for ourselves who is right and who is wrong. Even if the TTG uncles and aunties do not fight for truth and transparency, I would have still lost respect for PG and his family as based on their fruits, I do not feel any love and godliness from them. In fact, I think some of my non christian friends have even more love and compassion than PG and his family. I thank God that my faith is not based on what a pastor does or does not do, otherwise I would have long backslided after seeing for myself the kind of things PG and his wife and his daughter,son and son-in-law have been doing to us all this while. So, Charles..pls don't blame it on the TTG uncles and aunties. It is not their fault for revealing the sins of PG and family. You are right to say that we should not look at man but look at God though, so I hope you will also stop looking at PG and family and treating them like gods.

    Well Said said...

    Dear Younger Person,

    Very well said.

    In God We Trust said...

    Dear Young Person,

    You have spoken with great wisdom and maturity.

    Truth will prevail and we know God is in full control. No amount of twisting and cover-ups by human efforts can do any good.

    All the wrongs and misdeeds will be exposed in due course.

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    Dear Younger Person, Very well said indeed. I'm not implying that the younger generation are immature, (btw I'm not very old either), all I'm saying or trying to do is to provide some opposing view to those being voice here, so that people (young or old) can have a balance info being given to them. Let me narrate a story to you.... there was this kampung and some of those not very pleased with the village head priest (this people have some ill-intention of placing everything under their control and may even place another form of worship once they take over) said all kind of thing against the head village priest.... 1st they shared witht their families member, with some of them having the tendencies for some juicy rumours, it spread like wild fires, people just kept on adding issues (wrong or right does not matter)... there was so much noise (i say noise not people) that the younger generation thought... hey there might be some truth in this, then came so other who seems to have some bad exprience with the village head priest, well they should have clarifies everything with the village head priest.... but this was the best time to get back at the priest... so they too added this and that to the stories and rumours.

    I want to offer my differing views and exprience from those that is mentioned here.

    Fed-up said...

    People do not respond to Charles. Just do not entertain him with a response as this gives him a reason to reply. Waste of time

    come on la said...

    Charles can't seem to express himself well la..don't even understand what story he is trying to tell what with that bad grammar of his. poor Charles..hahaha

    Charles (charles4unity@gmail.com) said...

    My apologies, if I made some grammatical errors, trying to balance my work and at the same time respond to the people here. As I said before I will try to provide explaination to the best of my ability and am here to provide differing views.

    As we are all church going people, appreciate if we could stop all the accusation and only bring facts and figures. Talk fact people.... nothing less and nothing else.

    Thanks & God Bless

    Charles??? What's that??? said...

    Don't waste time on Charles. Charles??? What Charles???

    beauty of the Lord said...

    Let the beauty of the Lord our God be upon us:
    and establish thou the work of our hands.

    Thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty:
    for it was perfect through my comeliness,
    which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

    We all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
    are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
    even as by the Spirit of the Lord. The Spirit of glory and of God resteth upon us.

    Blessed is every one that feareth the Lord;
    that walketh in his ways.

    For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands:
    happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.
    Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established.

    Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
    For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Our Lord Jesus Christ himself,
    and God,
    even our Father,
    which hath loved us,
    and hath given us everlasting consolation
    and good hope through grace,
    comfort your hearts,
    and establish you in every good word and work.

    Stop Giving said...

    Stop giving to CC. Give it to other churches or ministries who needs money more than CC does.
    CC have enough funds already.

    Misusing funds. Use it for personal gain and not for expansion of God's Kingdom

    STOP GIVING!!!!!

    Discernment Needed said...

    Like I mentioned previously ... it is bad advice to say "Stop giving to CC" ... instead the encouragement is to ask God who & where to give ... if it is to CC, go ahead by all means ... if it is somewhere else, that is also not an issue. God is at work ... both within and without Calvary Church.

    Be clear that we DO NOT use our money (giving) for our own purpose, in this case, to "punish" Calvary Church or to "force" some people to resign. This, unfortunately is not right.

    CALVARY TODAY said...

    Hello Bros & Sis in Christ,

    It has come to our attention that someone asked why some of the “more matured” Christians have not commented on the “allegations” made on our SP and his family. Some of the parents represented, have been busy getting the children ready for school, Siew Chyuan & KC are off on their business trips and others are preparing to send their children off for studies.

    The blog is a little back dated in its postings because many of the team members have been busy with their personal responsibilities over the school holidays. The team however continued to meet every Tuesday (including 6/01/09) to pray. Many of the team members felt the Lord leading us to a place of quietness and waiting upon Him. We also received the Word from the Lord, given through some prayer warrior friends of ours, that now is a time for us to “take up the role of Mary and drop the role of Martha”. We are taking heed to the Word of God given to us and the song in our hearts now is :

    Be still and know that I am God X 3
    I am the Lord, that healeth thee X 3

    At our last Tuesday’s prayer session, we have decided to call for a week of fasting and prayer, starting this Sunday – 11 January 2009. One of our team members is working on a short article to be posted soon, to kick-start the “Fasting and Prayer Week”.

    The blog administrators have decided to disable the “comments” for this period of time to concentrate on seeking the Lord for His direction, His wisdom and His intervention into our present saga.

    Our God is Good!

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