CCC is finally built… and the journey of financial slavery begins
Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG)’s dream of a 5,000-seat auditorium to accommodate his 2,500 congregation was finally realised with the completion of the Calvary Convention Centre, Bukit Jalil (CCC) in March this year. But he could have chosen a better time than the recent Easter season to hold the inaugural service at the new venue.
Whilst Easter is a message of hope and salvation and freedom from sin through the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Easter service at CCC on Easter Sunday heralds the beginning of financial slavery for the members of Calvary Church. With an estimated bank debt of at least RM60 million, borrowed to fund the construction of Phase 1 of the CCC costing some RM200 million, the financial burden on the church is simply unimaginable.
The monthly interest payable on the bank loans at say 7% per annum will amount to a whopping RM350,000 per month or RM4.2 million per year. This is excluding the principal repayment which, over a 10-year repayment period, amounts to RM500,000 per month or RM6.0 million per year. The operating overheads and the building maintenance cost, hitherto not fully divulged to the congregation, will be another killer.
To incur a monthly costs of between RM850,000 to RM1 million per month, just to hold 4 Sunday services there, is just plain illogical. Enslaving an entire congregation to fulfil a pastor’s dream is sinful, to say the least.
From feedback from the members, the call for money is now even louder and is sounded at every service. How long the members can continue to take it is anyone’s guess.
The completion of the CCC also made it into the local online news, The Malaysian Insider recently.
Some of the interesting comments to the above news article are appended below:-
true Malaysia 146p · 2 weeks ago I'm not sure what kind of Christianity this Calvary church is expounding ... The prosperity gospel is still very much alive sadly
lavinesh24 151p · 2 weeks ago This money would have been better spent on the various underprivileged homes in Malaysia which today are in real dire needs of funds. This show of opulence is evident in all religions while funds needed to help our fellow humans is lacking.
Pekan Mari 151p · 2 weeks ago Gosh RM 200 million....I thought Christians were beyond this sought of thing and it was UMNO Muslims who indulged in showcasing giant mosques which are never even 20% full even during Friday prayers. In fact the little mosques in small townships, kampongs are the ones that are regularly utilised. Good luck. BTW have you heard of AFM. That stands for Asset and Facility Management. In short, maintenance. Your battle may have just begun.
bukan_buta 150p · 2 weeks ago Lord Jesus never aspired for any opulence nor extravagance.
What is the use of a RM 200 million building if it fails to deliver Jesus' message of LOVE ??
What is the use of a RM 200 million building if it fails to deliver Jesus' message of LOVE ??
The brand new RM200 million Calvary Convention Centre, Bukit Jalil taken recently,
looking dirty and weather-worn.
52 comments:
Truly a waste of God's resources.
In the end when all of you die and stand before God, what will you answer him when he asks:-
1) When I was hungry did you feed me?
2) When I was naked did you clothe me?
3) When I was in Jail did you visit me?
4) When I was lonely did you comfort me?
All these things you did not do for me so why should you now take your place in Heaven? Have you earned your right to do so? I am ashamed. I gave you 2 commandments to obey (from the original 10) and even that you did not fulfill.
Building a Mega Million Church will not save your soul when, all around you, your brethren is dying of starvation.
Think hard and long about this as there is still time to make the change but not for long.
God's messenger
In my 2009 Dream , I saw a Secular Building bearing the name " Calvary Church " sinking into the DARK DEEP Ocean !
I also saw many Peoples TRAPPED inside the building SCREAMING out loud for HELP as they were Drowning !
How to DISCERN and Interpret this Fearful & Horrifying DREAM ?
Simply, CCC is a pure ego trip for SP and his wife at the expense of the lambs.
The CC pastorial leadership & BOD have gone way too far with CCC and now too deep in troubled waters, they have reached to the point of no return, so whether they sink or swim they have no other choice. Or have they already sunked!!.
Now they are laying their financial burden upon the church members and pressuring them to give, give & give. CC members please wake up from your slump and come to your senses to understand that your loving Heavenly Father does not do such a thing to His children. Exercise your spiritual discernment to know that CCC is not His call or vision to build for God does not indulged in extravagance over mega million church buildings.
The dream is an interpretation of the lost souls who will drown in the lake of Hell. That is stated in the Bible. All souls who try to save themselves will perish in the Fires of Hell as they did not accept Jesus as their savior. They did not obey the commandments. Look around you. What is happening to the World? Very soon the 666 will be upon us. When you decide to take the Mark of the Beast, your soul is lost forever. Those who are the followers of CC now are mostly rich and well off. Will they abandon their wealth to follow Christ or will they take the Mark of the Beast to retain their riches? The time of reckoning will come soon. So beware all proud and arrogant CC members. Very soon your downfall will come.
To Anonymous June 29th @ 10.17am in regards to blogger's dream of CCC.
In regards to one's salvation, we do not know who are to be saved or who are to be thrown into the lake of fire. Only our Lord Yeshua knows. I believed there are quite some CC members who are sincere in their worship of the Lord, but sadly they do not realised that they also can be sincerely wrong and I was one that was sincerely wrong whilst in CC. These members are just been deceived by SP and his pastors and they need to know the spiritual abuses they have committed against members and to come to the truth that CCC is not God's call to build. The dream of this blogger I would say spoke of the situation they are in now with CCC and if they fail to come out of their critical financial mess INCLUDING their unwillingness to repent of their spiritual unrighteousness and still remained arrogant & prideful, they will be DOOMED along with CCC. This interpretation is my opinion of the dream.
THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD WILL ALWAYS PREVAILED. GLORY TO HIS NAME.
From the photo picture of a dirty looking CCC posted here, did you all notice this half pyramid at tail of the building, thats an occult symbol of freemasonry which I believed this freemason architect knew it and intentionally designed on it. Was CC pastors aware of it or even knew it is anybodys' guess!! If you asked them, they would probably give you a lame answer that its just only a design. What a co-incident!!
Revelation 22:14
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates."
CC members need to "wash their robes" soon ie. cleanse their souls else it will be too late for them to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
In the book of Revelation it is mentioned that you will know end is near when a lot of false prophets appear, and we are certainly seeing that right now. All manner of Gurus have appeared in the last decade or so ie. Stock Market Gurus, Property Gurus, Gold Investment Gurus, Religious Gurus, etc.
The end is nigh.
CC members - it is not too late to repent now and let the Lord's mercy be shown upon you.
Amen.
Last weekend, I went to Kl for a last vacation just before my course starts later this month. I actually wanted to visit CCC and begin to check the details on the service timing. As I have followed Berita Calvary regularly and knew about what's happening in Calvary Church, I am aware the happenings there even though I am back home in Singapore. Why I changed my mind and attended SIBKL Sunday Service instead was a the sermon title the church was about to preach and it was "Indebtedness" which I found contrary. I was really blessed by the worship and service in SIBKL.
I dont think any amount of talk IS going to change the mindset of these AOG so called Pastors. Of course- our Pastor too had a "vision".... "to enlarge the place of your tents" the ususl CRAP AOG pastors throw out before going on to pouring the sheeps $$$ into another money swallowing building.
But the church vote did not go his way.(So much of God telling him to build)
With his amusing mustache- you can tell he is the conniving sort.The Church Board knows that- and we always put him in his place.Great speaker though... but nevertheless ..only human and needs to be put on a leash.
My ex-pastor had a nickname by his own brood--- "PARIAH PASTOR" ..who just had an issue with other pastors and a natural at Gossip.There are many among these sick AOG wolves.
You see what SP has done?ITS DOUBTFUL IF CCC WILL EVER GET OUT OF DEBT NOW ..ALL AT THE EXPENSE OF THE EVER GULLIBLE SHEEP.SIGH!!!
DR.LUMS FEARS HAVE ALL COME TO PASS BEFORE OUR EYES!!!!NO DOUBT IT WAS GODS VOICE SPEAKING THROUGH THAT MAN.
You think these AOG Reverends are going to repent? We dont think so.When they seek out the scattered sheep then maybe there is some hope for these reprobates concerning the faith.
Grace and Peace to you from God the Father & the Lord Jesus Christ to all who visit here.May you & your family together be refreshed this Sunday and may theh Peace of God descend on your family.Eat well, Rest well and worship in Spirit. God Bless you all. ---
Check out City Harvest Church members and ex members comments at 'CHC Confession'. There are similarities in problems with that of Calvary Church KL ie over how money is solicited and used or misused. The teachings that tithes is biblical and the preaching of the prosperity gospel that God wants you to be rich is making a mockery of the true gospel of Jesus Christ. As long as Christians remain gullible and believe them, they become easy ATM money machine for pastors and evangelists. let us help get rid of the root problem and remind the brethren that tithes belong to the levitical laws of OT Israel and does not apply to NT Christians where giving is under grace, with no compulsion or fixed percentages.let us all help put an end to this false teachings that Christians must tithe or rob God.
Air Supply will be performing in CCC on 17/8/2013.
I wonder how much nett profit can CCC generate on this rental.
I suppose the concert will be held in the main sanctuary?
I paid a visit Sun after Easter. The auditorium/church is so hugh! With the small number of worshippers, it look so empty and lonely. Of course, the seat was PERFECT! So very comfortable that one can easily dose off to sleep! Just hope that they can maintain their financial commitment else it'll be like the Glass Cathedral.
I was told by a Christian friend of mine that there is no there is no biblical reference on faith promise giving. In fact it is the opposite of the biblical faith. I am still a CC member and now very worried. Last Sunday, CC invited pastor Rick Seaward who preaches the congregation about giving and making a pledge. What bothers me is that pastor did not mention about the seriousness of making a vow/pledge, unlike faith promise (which is not biblical in the first place). Only when my friend told me about it, I was shocked. See Deut. 23:21
Faith promise is not biblical reference:
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/faithpromise.htm
There are many other references.
SP, his pastors & the BOD of so called 'professionals' men & women admitted CCC is debt-riddened. CCC a project SP claimed is a vision and call of god to build is now in a financial crisis. What baffles me to ask is this, CAN GOD BE IN DEBT?? The Bible portrayed GOD as all powerful and there is nothing He cannot do, He is the creator of heaven & earth and all things belonged to Him, the signs & wonders He performed spoke of His power. He commanded "Let there be Light and there was Light". When Moses & the Israelites faced with an impossible task infront of the Red Sea, Lord God Almighty in all His power commanded the sea to be parted and the sea obeyed its Master. Isn't that AWESOME as we stood in awe of Him. So we asked can a small thing like "money" troubled the AWESOME GOD OF THE BIBLE??
CC pastors does this God needs to borrow money and be in debt?? If CCC is His vision and his call to build, SURELY He by His supernatural power will see to it that there is sufficient funds to build and never needed to borrow from banks and be in debt. God is the owner of all things in heaven and on earth including all the money in the world. The financial debt CCC is facing spoke VERY CLEARLY that CCC is NOT his vision or call to build. Can your hearts still be so hardened like Pharoah and not admit you all had been so wrong.
Its a shame that you all portrayed god as a weakling to be in debt. This surely does not sound like the God of the Bible. It must be the enemy portraying as the "false christ" to deceive you all and put you in financial slavery to CCC. You preached to others to be aware of the enemy, but instead you are the ones got caught and trapped and the enemy is enjoying their success, their mission accomplished.
Please check yourself before anyone comment. If God has not commend His elect who are you to condemn.
Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today at July 4, 2013 at 6:36 PM
Maybe the CCC should change that to "Money Supply" will be performing on 17/82013. Hahahahahaha
In answer to Anonymous at July 4th, 6.36pm.
We are not condemning, but EXPOSING so that others including you may not be deceived by them. Just like the Lord exposing the Pharisees & scribes. The trouble with you people is that you believe everything what the pastors said without questioning or checking the Scriptures if they are right or wrong, all because you considered them as 'annointed, elect or sent by God. My friend today there is no such thing as 'called by God' or 'God sent'. They are all 'self-called' and 'self-sent'.
You mentioned that God did not commented on what CC pastors did, so why should we passed comments. How do you know that God had not commented? Just because you hear nothing does that mean He had not commented. My friend, God did made a lot of comments and the answers are all in the Bible. If you don't know them, then you do not know your Bible, its that simple. Let me ask you this question relating to an earlier blogger who said that the rock band group AIR SUPPLY will be performing at CCC on 17/8. If that is true, do you think its a right thing for CC leadership to do? You want to know if God had made comments on such issue, go read your Bible on Matthew 21, v12-13. What had CC pastors doned, they have just turned christianity into "commercialised christianity" by do doing trade for profit in CCC which you all regarded as God's house of worship. What kind of testimony are we showing to those who had yet to know Christ? Wouldn't they regard us as no different from them and the world. Did not the Lord warned us if we are stained with the world, you will have no part in Me.
God spoke volumns and had
given us all His Word that pertains to life. He had told us not to believe every spirit even what church leaders say, for we are to test and check with our true Leader, our Master, our Heavenly Father His Word if its true or false, right or wrong. I believed the purpose what all the bloggers commented here is to reach out to the ignorant and unknowing congregants, perhaps someone like you. But if you still wants to believe and follow whatever CC pastors tell you to do, then thats your own choice, for God gave humanity their free will to choose and certainly He will not interfear with your will. But at the end of the day when He comes, each one of us is answerable to Him.
Please check yourself before anyone comment. If God has not commend His elect who are you to condemn.
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A Response to the above.
Your thoughts certainly sound spiritual enough.Are you from an AOG church? If God has not said anything- why should anyone else say it? Fair enough.
Well,my good brother/sister- God has also not given His views on the Holocaust,so why is it in the history books as an evil incident? Why give our views on Hitler? After all- we did not hear his side of the story.Justice demands that we hear both sides. How can you condemn without hearing the other side? Right?
God has also not commented on Stalin,Pol Pot or the Barisan National Goverment or the much anticipated "Ini Kali Lah!!" So why did the church spend endless hours about this "change of Goverment?" Did God tell anyone about the need to "Change the Goverment?"
CCC is a monument to an AOG Pastors capability to pull the wool over the sheeps eyes.I suppose you had no problem that the RM100,000 paid for his Court case was the sheeps money?
CCC is also a monument to a certain stupidity.According to one statistic there are now about RM100,000,000 orphans around the world waiting for some attention.Many die due to starvation.
But which church today would sell off their property and borrow $$$ from the Bank to look into these unwanted childrens welfare?
Christians today need to look deep into their souls and see if they are still in the faith.RM200,000,000 is a lot of money(I handle cash in a Bank)RM250K Cash can go into 1 bag. For a million we need 4 bags with RM50 and 8 bags for RM20 notes.For RM200 million we need 800 bags of $$$.Put all the $$$ in a lorry
upper medium sized)and you have to push in the last 60-70 bags.
All these $$$ because God told SP to build? You believe him? In my opinion, a person has to be downright stupid to have fallen for SP's classic AOG CRAP.From the beginning,it was always been about his ego.At one time CC was a big church- but as sson as other big churches appeared on the landscape- SP had to outsize them all. There is a wolf in sheeps clothing in CCC and you have been taken for a ride.
AND NOW FOR A LIFETIME OF PAYING OFF THE BANK LOANS.
(Sp-dont worry-God will provide for all your needs-because He is faithful)By constantly preaching on the above lines- he has made debtors of you all.
Financial Accountability.
Please study the life of Jesus to see whether during His lifetime He had been promoting the building of expensive mega churches or not. Show me the page in the Bible. That would be the answer as to whether we should support such mega projects.
They should invite ABBA instead.
Firstly, ABBA means 'Father' - so fitting if ur talking abt God the Father.
Secondly, the hv a Hit Song, "Money, money, money" which is very fitting for CC.
Hahahahahaha
AND NOW ITS AIR SUPPLY AT CCC?
SP needs to go for some psychiatric observation and listen to Air Supply's song
"Making love out of nothing at all."
I can make you find your power
I can make you lose your fear
I can make your body do some very magical things
I'll make your inhibitions all disappear....
CCC is no more a church,in my opinion.
Its not only become a den of thieves and robbers but a spirit of whoredom is in its midst with SP as its main rogue priest and the other so called Rev's sitting quietly in the shadows.They all have become murtad.
Those days we used to pray to God to deliver us from all evil. These days we have to pray for protection against errant Pastors inside a church with their various man made titles.
Some of them can be real bullshitter's with their titles and their knowledge of the Bible.My Pastor used to carry a Dr.Rev title but the Dr.title strangely disappeared after some exposure from this blog.
To me,SP will now be talking about $$$ and the appeal is never going to end.Gone are the good old days of simple Bible study in a stress free atmosphere. The utter stupidity of it all!!!
In the Book Of Phillipians the Christians were cautioned " Beware of Dogs..." maybe we should be putting signboards in the place where the AOG Pastor is preaching - " Beware.AOG viper preaching this Sunday" OR " Caution. AOG Dogs inside with their smooth talk"
Scarred Christian(by an AOG preaching dog,of course)
Dalam pendapat saya,SP dan geng sudah lama murtad.Bila Isa ada didunia ini- ia tidak pernah mengajarkan pengikut nya untuk membangkitkan gereja sebesar itu.Ada banyak orang miskin sampai makan pun tak cukup tetapi itu semua dia abaikan. Hanya berminat untuk belanja $$$ untuk bangunan besar.
SP sekarang sebenarnya adalah Beruk sial dan sudah jadi penghutang kepada Bank. Mana boleh menyembah Tuan dalam dkeadaan sebegitu?? Bodoh Bahalul!!! Penganut Ugama Judas Iscariot!
I quote what lady pastor Chan Lee Peng said in the June Calvary News magazine, "true freedom is found in total submission to God's will". Sister, what really is God's Will? You all have committed spiritual unrighteousness that has hurt members and caused many to leave the church, and yet you can go teaching others on the Will of God. The truth is you don't know what it really means to be in the Will of God. I suggest you go back to your Bible, read the Word of God very carefully and hopefully you will be able to understand what it truly means to be in total submission to God's Will. None of you have dare to take a stand for God against your peers as you fear offending them and you want the praise of men and avoid a fallout with them.
You also wrote, "decision to go your own way & pursue your own dreams will inevitable lead to destruction & loss of self worth". Very true, for thats exactly what CC pastors did with CCC. You have just said it upon yourselves. Sister, one word of advice to you, that is if you are willing to humble yourself to listen, "WHEN GOD SPEAK TO YOU, LISTEN TO YOUR CONSSCIENCE & OBEY". That to me is total submission to God's will.
All donors know how much they had donated but do they know how much PG had donated?
Phillipians- CCC version
SP and gods servants of "jesus christ"
To all God’s contributing people in CCC at Bukit jalil together with the overseers and deacons
2 Wishing you much gold and silver from god our father and the lord jesus christ because he knows we need it.
3. I thnk my god upon every remembrance of you because without your wallet CCC would not be in existence today.Thanks!!!
4.It is right for me to feel this way about you because we are tyhe true ministers inKL right now
5.To put is frankly CCC is now in heavy debts so I need another financial commitment to you.Further one of the Pastoral staff needs another car for his College going kid, so please remember him in your prayers.
6. and please remember if there is any lack in your life, I am always here to pray for you but beyond that you are on your own.
Take care and thanks for making CCC a reality!!The biggest religious building in Malaysia was built by an AOG Reverend- from the gullible sheeps money!!! Bravo!! Well done. A Clap offering to yourselves!!!
AOG Reverends must face up to the fact that the church is not their family owned property.AS long as you collect a salary- you need to keep your voice down. Your salary cometh from the sheeps earnings so axing them is not just heartless but plain stupid.
I have been to AOG churches and some of these madmen behave as though they are the tai kohs of the church.
What happened at Calvary is a lesson for all.
SP sekarang sebenarnya adalah Beruk sial ...
Saya setuju sekarang banyak AOG Pastor bersikap BERUK SIAL...TAK TAHU MALU.ADAT KITA MEMBERI PESAN.. KALAU MAKAN BABAI ATAU BELACAN BANYAK AKIBAT NYA ADALAH OTAK MEROSOT ATAU ROSAK.
MASA TANYA $$$ TAK MALU LANGSUNG ...MAHU GEREJA BESAR DENGAN "CUSHION SEAT" BUNTUT ORANG CHRISTIAN DI BUAT DARI EMAS KAH??
SAYA MEMBERI NASIHAT KEPADA AOG REV- JANGAN IKUT SYAITAN!!! IKUT AL-MASIH!! KALAU PASTOR SUDAH MENJADI BERUK SIAL- AL- MASIH BOLEH TOLONG!!
Very sad but that's the way it is.
We Christians claim to know the bible but do we really understand those instructions in Bible.
Gentiles sees the bible in the fashion they only know. The grafted ones should learn from the original tree.
The "good" tree may have their mistakes but they are still God's chosen people.
Who is GOD's elect?
It is he who does the father's will.
What is the father's will?
To OBEY HIS INSTRUCTIONS THAT IS WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.
What is the father's instructions????
It is definitely not man made rules or traditions
Faith without works is empty!!
Air Supply at CCC? We are now into entertainment eh? How do we control the type and behavior of the crowd (Air Supply crowd would be likely the old folks but what about the next time?), the way they treat the place and worse, th kind of songs they sing ( again, Air Supply may be safer but the next time?)? What is Calvary Church turning into?
Pastor--Chan Lee Peng.June Calvary News magazine, "true freedom is found in total submission to God's will".Pastor --Chan Lee Peng
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A REPLY TO THE ABOVE.
Of course,when a Pastor has strayed and he senses that the sheep are asking questions-it is only natural to divert the Sheeps probing by talking about commitment and God.This is one of the oldest tricks used by AOG Pastors.But I think we have all grown--- except for you.
True freedom is found in total submission to Gods will? This is exactly what Rev David Koresh and Rev.Jim Jones TAUGHT THEIR SHEEP!! - who told his followers to drink poison and was successful in convincing them to drink.
Islam also teaches total submission to Allahs will.In that sense,Protestants are no different.This is what I have to say Pastor...
Jesus was totally submitted to the Fathers will BUT was he submitted to the Pharisees teachings? You have not noticed yet? He told those Jewish Pastors plainly that they were like vipers- a snake in Israel which contains dangerous venom and causes enormous pain when it strikes.
And it is still true until this day.AOG Pastors have hurt many sheep while hiding under a Rev title.
There is no need to listen to what SP or Calvary News says- they are just throwing more dust into the sheeps eyes. Just look what SP has done.Now let us look at the facts before us that occured at CC under SPs twisted leadership.
THE FATHER WILL.
1.When SP sacked Dr.Lum- this was the Father will?
2. When 400 brethren fell under SP's axe- Fathers will? - which father??
3. Siphoning $$$ from CC and chanelling it to the own ministry- Fathers will!!1
4. Being evasive when questions were being asked and squirming in his seat like a snake...his face said it all that day.
For brevity's sake I will stop here.Shameful indeed!!!
5.Spending RM100,000 sheeps money on his personal case?
Again-for brevity's sake I will stop here
Pastor Chan-you are nothing but another spineless AOG hireling who have no guts to tell the truth to the sheep.All Christians believe in submitting to Gods will but dont try to mislead by implying that it is equivalent to submitting to SP's will.
FOR A PASTOR- ITS IS SHAMEFUL WAY TO COME ACROSS.But what does CCC leadership know about shame? SP has protected himself very well in the Churchs constitution. To me he and the rest of you are no different from the local CONMEN who prey on the gullibles.
PS. Remember- the sheep have awakened and will not fall for anybody's spiritual sounding AOG CRAP anymore.
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VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS.
THE BOOK OF TITUS
SP an Apostle of Belial and commissioned to do his works.
Grace and Glory be to you from Belial himself who has called us to do his will.
First of all,I want you to appoint Elders everywhere who are prepared to sacrifice for the sake of the new Belails Vineyard--CCC.
An Elder must be without reproach- meaning- he must not be asking too many questions,must be submissive,prepared to give his tithes and offerings without questions and must give up his individual way of thinking.
Since most of belials servants are the middle class, its too dangerous let them do the thinking for themselves. Instead we must do the thinking for them.
If they suspect something, immediately call for fasting and prayer session.This atmosphere usually subdues them.The result is almost magical! That is Belials way.
I have many things to say to you but I dont want to use paper and ink because if it falls into the wrong hands we could be in trouble.Instead I will update you at the spiritual retreat next week- behind closed doors of course.By the way,the Accountant has resigned.We have to keep the reasons confidential.
By the way, the Banks just called. So collect a third offering this week.I am sure the sheep have got some savings hidden away somewhere.
Bye- and work hard for Belial.His rewards here here on earth just waiting to be picked!@!
As the week draws to a close, let us prepare our hearts to worship God. To who ex Calvarites--praise God that we all have moved on. As for me and our family we have settled in a much smaller church.We worship in a stress free atmosphere.And the only bills this church has to pay is the electricity and water bills.The pastor is an enginner and does not take a salary from the church. According to him" Its an honour to serve God"
By allowing the pop group AIR SUPPLY to perform in CCC, the CC pastorial leadership & BOD are now also involved in world entertainment buisness. Is this what you called serving the Lord with 'biblical principles'??. Yet this man PG can exhort and encouraged the deacons during the recent BOD installation day to serve the Lord with 'biblical principles'. Aren't they all hypocrites who do not lived by what they preached and teached and broke their promise to the Lord. They simply do not know how to fear God. Congregants when will you all come to know the truth of what they are doing. The Lord Jesus Christ taught us to know them by their 'fruits' if they are truly serving Him. The real truth is they are just playing with your hearts and minds and their eyes are on your wallets for CCC. Be wary and not be deceived by their trickery of words but be clear minded and discerning.
Wise men from down under are bring the gospel of "so lost without you guys".
Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today at July 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM
Of late i overheard from the TV advertisement that a CONCERT will be held in Calvary Convention Centre. So after all, the CHURCH IS ALSO A PLACE FOR BUSINESS??? A group of worldly singer will be there to present SOON.
Wow, i remembered the SP saying they do not want to be like doing business during the sale of land to EXSIM, so renting the convention centre is NOT DOING BUSINESS??? I felt like the way he talk is like slaping himself. So contradicting.
Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today at July 28, 2013 at 11:16 PM
Well- SP got what he desired..a modern day AOG Tower of Babel.
This is an example of what an AOG REV is capable of doing if not kept in check.Sure the AOG Rev. can talk powerfully and put the sheep under his spell.
Maybe who knows--- he may still land up in Court one day...Puttign up a monument like that and slashing everybody who stood in his way!! Well Done AOG viper.. Well Done!!
They call this CCC building a church? A church is a fellowship of believers to worship and edify not a building which just exists to swallow up the sheeps cash.These Pastors have brought the sheep into debt. They should not even stand up to preach.
SP should go for some psychiatric observation.Once he goes, it is my opinion that the Salesman and the Jellyfish disappear together with him.The others are just brainless clowns just there to do his bidding and to collect their paychecks at the end of the month.They are indeed a laughable group.
Maybe there exists another AOG clown out there who is already dreaming of building something that outsizes Bukit Jalil stadium itself.The AOG men and women Rev's out there are just a sick bunch of peopel who have lost their way in life. That may explain their numerous titles and their "visions" and ''God spoke to me Crap" to deceive the elect.These same Rev's would not care less as they pass by a beggar who is impoverished and have strong condemnation against single mums.
What a pack of Religious Bullshitters.
BE WARY OF THESE AOG MADMEN!!!
According to the Bible, CC pastors & BOD are false teachers & false workers and the Word of God called them 'anti christs' because they deny Christ by their unrighteous works. Time and time again they continued to do one wrong after another., the latest being the AIR SUPPLY rock concert to be held in CCC. But CC will be holding a so called CCC DEDICATION CELEBRATION service where pastor David Yonggi Cho a renowned false prophet will be the speaker. They described this service is to honour the Lord's wondrous works and dedicated CCC for his glory. Is this so pastor Peter Ong and your fellow APs? Then what about the AIR SUPPLY rock concert in CCC, is that honouring God and a dedication of CCC for his glory?. You have DENY CHRIST and God would judged you all guilty by His Word which said you all honour Him with your lips but your hearts are far away, in vain do you all worship Me.
We have on TV the "Incredible Spiderman", but in CC, we have the more "Incredible CC pastors", incredible for the wrong reasons.
GOD- THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER WEEK GONE BY.PRAISE THE LORD!!!
I was once a faithful Calvarite together with my family.Although at that time I was angry we as a family have moved on.Maybe it has all happened for the better.
I notice these AOG monkeys tend to hurt people but keep on preaching about love and forgiveness on Sundays.It appears like an academic exercise for them.We as a family were financialy supporting CC all these years- and then axed just like that, Huh? We no more share the vision? And whose vision is CCC? Jesus Christ's?
Many AOG Pastors were called in to help out SP clear his Crap.And they came.But not one spoke the truth.All aided and abetted SP.A few plainly were from the Pentecostal Circus. And others- determined to hide SP's trail of slime.And they suceeded at concealing the Crap.But the questions went unanswered.
Sitting in the pews,the once peaceful place turned into a place of strife, hurts and wounds-Quite a few were scarred by these AOG madmen in the process-shutting off microphones,shouting the sheep down and even excorting the sheep to the exit.What a humiliation.
We as a family did NOT see a shepherd anymore.What we saw was a reprobate desperately trying to use his power to prevent a full blown out exposure.Was he successful? What do you think?
In the process some people just disappeared without any announcement- including his own daughter Pam.Game over.No more easy money she just disappeared into the shadows.
Christian today seem to be asking for a change in the Goverment.May we ask-is the church any better? The Master once said " Why look at the speck in your brother eye when there is a log in your own eye?"
SP,Salesman,Jellyfish and the pathetic others- maybe you should start praying for another job.Because this business of asking for Money every Sunday using a pulpit does not remind me of Gods house.In this matter,the Buddhist monks and the Hindus are more righteous than these so called pastors.
AT CCC WHO CAN PREACH TODAY WITHOUT A MONEY APPEAL?CCC IS IN FACT A HOUSE OF BAAL.
If God is still working in your hearts,you would have sought out the scattered sheep.Have you? That is clear evidence that you are prophets of Baal and are doing his works)
So finally SP managed to get his new toy? The amazing thing is that there are so many sheep willing to part with their $$$ after hearing SP's religious crap.This is a lamentation in the house.
Do we need such a big place to worship? The Jews were proud of their big temple too.But Jesus had something else to say.
Anyway the damage is done and now the sheep got to fork out the money everytime.I am glad that I have moved on.
Buildings, buildings and more buildings? Is that what we need? I thought only Hindus and Muslims were into those kind of things!!
I can imagine Jesus sitting in one of those pews and hearing one of SP's Pentecostal Crap about giving sacrificially.
This Raya Season- I urge all Christians to visit our Malay friends and Colleagues in their homes. Dont stay away from them because your Pastor "told you so"
From what I have observed, most AOG Pastors do not even have 1 Malay friend and their spoken Malay is nothing short of pathetic.
I was very surprised when my Malay friend invited me for Raya last year- as I stepped into their home, they told me that I was the first Christian visitor to their home!!!
They never had a Christian stepping into their home. For years I heard the AOG Rev preach- but it was always an unfriendly remark against them.His attitude and demeanor spoke volumes.
His prejudice and his particular world view
(all picked up at theological school, I suppose)were the only things he has to pass on to the younger generation.
With Politicians and Pastors like these around, the gap between the races will remain forever.WE have to stand in the gap and pray against these political and religious demons so that the younger generation do not inherit their prejudicial bullshit.
CC NEW THEME...MAKE CCC DEBT-FREE!!!
AT CCC WHO CAN PREACH TODAY WITHOUT A MONEY APPEAL?CCC IS IN FACT A HOUSE OF BAAL….
How true as one blogger puts it. Since Easter service on 31st March 2013 every service and sermon seemed to be enslaved by ‘MAKE CCC DEBT-FREE!!!’ And no matter how the speakers ( including invited special speakers ) tried to disguise his/her sermon, anyone with some grey matter can discern that each and every service and sermon is nothing much more than $$$ appeal.
Becos of CCC, there had been so many strategies and tactics, some psychological, some seemingly Biblical and some plain secular ( like sponsoring a seat at RM5000.00 each ) that we have lost count. The latest was CCC Day on 7-8 July 2013. The speaker RS emphasized on ‘Miracle Harvest Offering’ and that now is God’s divine kairos moment to give towards CCC Debt Free challenge.
The following week, SP again highlighted this God’s divine kairos moment to give towards CCC Debt Free challenge. Again and again he repeated and even said… ‘ during this kairos/divine moment, God wants to do some something for you… I don’t know how long it will last..’
Both of them ( RS and SP ) tried to tell the sheep that this is a once-a-lifetime opportunity to give towards CCC so that you can get once-a-lifetime opportunity of God’s special/kairos blessing. It doesn’t come every day!! SP even WARNED… ‘ God is giving you divine/kairos, IF YOU FAIL TO GIVE…’
Nowadays it is no longer give when God bless you. Give even when you don’t have!! Blind faith or testing/forcing God? Please don’t get me wrong. Yes, God can bless you if He calls you to give what you don’t have.
I wonder how many sheep were intimidated by them. Had it not for this blog I and my family would have been so ‘frightened and coerced’ by such cleverly orchestrated fund-raising tactics.
In the process, LIES AND DECEIT WERE UTTERED WITHOUT BATTLING AN EYELID.
Consider the following…
I SK on 26/05/2013… ‘ we had a wonderful AGM…OUR FINANCES ARE WONDERFUL!!’
‘…Every year, we take TWO faith promise, beginning of year and middle. This year we are not taking for this July to December ( since our finances so wonderful? )’
Is that not outright LIE when the faith promise for February to December 2013 already taken? Such clever planning so that they ( SP, APs and BOD ) can have a CCC Day pledge.
II SP on 26/05/2013 (same day)… ‘ we have a balance of RM50,000,000.00 to pay to be debt. free…without having to go to the banks..’
III one deacon on 7 and 14/07/2013… highlighted how God provided the RM175million for CCC.
Dear readers of this blog, how can CC declare God provide the RM175million when more than RM60million is bank borrowings secured via the church properties that God blessed CC with through these 50 plus years. And now with no more properties to charge to the banks, how can SP go to the banks? They must be desperate and had no choice but to milk the sheep by whatever means!
And how can SP, the APs and BOD DECEIVED the sheep by saying if they ( sheep ) raise the RM50million, CCC will be debt. free when there is millions in bank borrowing to be repaid?
Dear SK… owing more than RM100million ( bank borrowings and current debts to contractors ) and you said ‘OUR FINANCES ARE WONDERFUL!!’
What about the enormous maintenance and bank interests?
If the above does not illustrate LIES and DECEIT I don’t know what is.
On one occasion in his money appeal, SP even say once CCC fully paid, the sheep no more opportunity to give. By then, even if the sheep want to give, he ( SP ) won’t accept.
But sad to say many many sheep are so easily taken in. Many are so naïve. Many think that this RM50million is to pay the remaining or balance bank loans so that CC no need pay any more interests.
They seem to think the tens of security guards, cleaners etc work for free. Yes…water and electricity also free like fresh air!!!
As I wrote in my last blog, the MONEY APPEAL WILL CONTINUE ON AND ON AND ON…..
Dear sheep at CC…please be discerning
GOD BLESS
ANOTHER SMALL FRY
Its really disgusting to see how SP & his pastors had polluted the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Every true believer of Christ had the right to be angry at how they had misused the good name of God to achieve their aims. Its truly pathetic to see how the congregants can accept their lies and unrighteous works to be the truth of God. Don't be taken by their sometimes preaching of truth, for at the same time they will draw you away to a different direction. Its true when we say that "evil usually wears a facade of righteousness" to cover their true indentity & character in order that more are easily deceived. A classic example of what SP & his pastors are doing, a bunch of deceived workers and deceiving their very own flock. These religious conmen in truth belongs to an organised man-made institution(AOG) which they called "church". What better facade than a "church" for SP & his pastors to hide and cover their true indentity as "agents for satan", for thats how the ministers of satan portray themselves, coming as "angels of light" to deceive the children of God. The false prophets that the Bible predicted will come are actually the ENDTIME PREACHERS OF TODAY. They fall because they have come to a stage of not loving the truth of God, but rather had loved themselves more. Now! if we were to approach any of the CC pastors and tell them this, you can imagine their reaction, they would laugh over it as a silly statement. HOW PATHETIC!!. The Word of God was so right when it said, " THEREFORE GOD SENDS UPON THEM A STRONG DELUSION TO MAKE THEM BELIEVE WHAT IS FALSE, SO THAT ALL MAY BE CONDEMENED WHO DID NOT BELIEVE THE TRUTH BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTOUSNESS". ( 2 Thesssolonians, Chapt.2, V11-12).
Lets face it. SP finally managed to get his new toy and there is nothing anyone can do about it!!!!
If he had been the Prime Minister- he probably would have built the Petronas Twin Towers twice as high.
I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT THESE AOG MONKEYS ARE SICK AND DEPRAVED.THEY ARE THERE JUST TO PREACH AND COLLECT THEIR PAYCHECKS. I HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT QUITE A FEW OF THEM ARE IN FACT GOSSIPPERS OF THE WORST SORT!!!
I was reading the issues pertaining to CBT (criminal breach of trust) and untrustworthy leadership in your church. IF members feel that way about their spiritual leaders, then leave for another church. There are many churches in Malaysia to show your devotion to God. The phrase "Live and let live" applies in your case. If you hold on to to a sinking treasure, you will drown as the treasure is lost in the abyss.
A church is just the building. The Congregation is the true Church.
Posted by Urban Hermit to Calvary Today at August 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM
Thinking about City Harvest Church and Calvary Church just makes me wanna throw up. Literally. I don't even want to go to Church anymore. Just can't sit in the pew while thinking about how many people are being misled daily by supposed "Christian" leaders who actually serve mammon. And nobody can do anything about it. Its so sad. I have a'Christian' sister who is religiously serving mammon and I can do nothing about it, coz you can resist satan but you just can't destroy it. Tough !
Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today at August 16, 2013 at 1:13 AM
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