As expected, Calvary Church’s first Kangaroo Court, has found Dr Lum guilty of unscriptural conduct and our BOD has promptly issued him a Letter of Termination of membership on 20 March 2009. A copy of the letter is published below.
The trumped-up charge of unscriptural conduct against Dr Lum resulted from his recent exposure of the improper use of church funds and the unscriptural conduct of the Senior Pastor (SP) and his deacons.
The Panel of Inquiry which conducted the proceedings in the absence of Dr Lum on 28 February 2009 consisted of Dato Nelson as the Chairman, Bro Puan Chen Keck and Sis Peggy Low. Dato Nelson is a good buddy of SP and was the one who spoke up strongly in support of SP at the last EGM. He was also instrumental in helping SP receive his Datukship title and he is well-known among many members as an avid 3D/4D lottery punter. His independence and impartiality is highy questionable. Little is known about the other two panel members.
105 comments:
The Kangaroo Court has spoken, and as predicted, it is indeed a Kangaroo Court......the 3 panel members are nothing more than yes men and yes woman to PG and his cronies.
The SACKING of Dr Lum by PG & BOD is tantamount to them putting Jesus on the cross AGAIN !!!
No !!! Unlike some pro-PG supporters who sees PG as if he is God, I am NOT saying that Dr Lum is Jesus.
What Dr Lum did was to stand up for Truth, Transparency & good Godly Governance (TTG) in this dark period of CC.
Dr Lum just told the Truth which had been hidden by PG & BOD all these years & for that they SACKED him.
Thus the SACKING of Dr Lum for telling the Truth is tantamount to NAILING Jesus on the cross AGAIN for Jesus is the God of Truth & He would want each & every Calvarite to stand up for Him by standing up for the Truth.
Will you stand up for Jesus by standing up for the Truth ???
What Would Jesus Do ???
Dr Lum should be allowed to speak up in the coming AGM. Now that he is no more a member, the church will not have the opportunity to hear him out. What a shame! Dont we members and also as Christians want to know the TRUTH?
Dear Calvarites
Dr Lum was sacked as a member NOT because he did anything wrong. He was sacked for KNOWING THE TRUTH. The truth about Senior Pastor, his family and some deacons on all kinds of abuses..abuse of power and church funds for personal benefits and enhancement. Please investigate yourself into all these.
Already, Dr Lum asked 2 questions only during the Financial Governance Task Force workshop to the Deacons - Where are all the love gifts collected by SP? Why only SP and a deacon (previously Lawrence but now Philip)determined and know the salary of SP's children? Deacons present at workshop either brushed aside the questions or remained silent. Why? Why? Why? We must know the truth..the truth..the truth. Remember that Dr Lum brought up 20 plus points why he resigned. Till now, the church leaders can't produce documents to prove him wrong. Fact is fact. Yet, the BOD can be so blatant in brushing them aside. The fact remained: look at Jim's and Pam's house. Please explain the lifestyle.
Dr Lum was sacked for knowing the truth. SP and deacons must be fearful of him pouring out the truth during this coming AGM. The Kangaroo court is poor PR exercise for 'dumped sheep as a result a church wrong teaching and preaching'. You can see this in SP. While he was NECF Chairman, he blacked out all activities of NECF so that Calvarites are not exposed to the outside Christian vibrant ministries. He preferred calvarites to be kept in the dark. He did not encourage you to serve outside Calvary..in fact, he does not reckonize but is angry with you serving outside though it is serving Jesus. To him, serving Jesus must be serving in Calvary only. You can't serve but He can!
Calvarites, rise up! Expose the misdeeds of the Pharisees in the CC. Clean up the unrighteous acts of our leaders. Otherwise, our children will grow up under a wrong type of leadership..self-centred, unfriendly, judgemental, vindative, etc.
heard many jokes in CC but the greatest joke is that the BOD arrived at the conclusion that Dr Lum has caused confusion, strife and division without giving him a fair trial! he did not have the opportunity to have a counsel, nor the opportunity to cross-examine the witnesses...and worst still the board of inquiry was not properly conducted!rightly PG should be put on the stand to defend himself... for he is the one causing all the confusion, strife and division in CC. the BOD is also responsible for this mess!
Now that Dr Lum is no longer a member of CC - is there any clamp on him revealing everything!!
Does this means that Dr Lum can now freely talk to anyone! It does not mean that if he is not a member what he reveals is not fact and truth.
Very Important Message
There will be a church EGM on 4th April,2008 at 2pm--Saturday. Venue
Calvary Church, Damansara Height
check the church notice board.
Dr Lum should respond and not take it lying down. He has the support of many Calvarites, if not most of them.
EGM--4th April,2008.
Time--2pm(Saturday)
Venue--Calvary Church
Extract from the Maxwell Leadership Bible page 539
Quote:-
SERVANTHOOD: LEADERS SERVE THEIR PEOPLE AND THEIR PURPOSE
(2 Chronicles 22:1-9)
What impact can godless character have on leaders and nations? We find out in the life of King Ahaziah.
The young king and several other political and military leaders lost their lives and their positions through a self centred pursuit of power. They forgot that a leader must serve his people and his purpose.
Leaders are not given authority to better themselves, to enlarge their income or social status or to improve their standard of living. They are first and always servants of others.
This biblical idea finds special emphasis in the Gospels through the teaching of Jesus Christ. Consider what our Lord teaches us about servant leadership:
HUMAN Economy
1. Pursuit of power and prestige
2. Improve wealth and status of leader
3. See others as enemies and competitors
4. Motive is to remove or kill opposition
5. The result: the leader is glorified
GOD's Economy
1. Pursuit of love and sevice to others
2. Improve the welfare of the people
3. See others as brothers to complement
4. Motive is to meet needs and grow the cause.
5. The result: God is glorified!
Unquote-
Let us ask ourselves what kind of leadership do we find in Calvary Church.... you and I can see from the character and behaviour of PG and BOD.
Do we not see the self seeking, arrogant, coveteous, worldy and deceptive characteristics displayed?
Don't we see the exact reflections of "seeing others (outspoken members) as enemies" and "the motive is to remove and kill any opposition" in our leaders in CC?
We urge all members and worshippers to check and weigh the real character of pastors and BOD in the light of the recent developments in CC.
Let us not be blind or dumb sheep...
GOD hears the cries of His people.
Dear So So Sad
Fully agree with you that Sn Pastor and Deacons should be the ones on trial for all strife, confusion, division, diversion, migration, frustration..going on in Calvary Church for so so many years.
God, please have mercy for our church. In Jesus' name. Amen
Bind us together Lord,
Bind us together with cords
that cannot be broken
Bind us together Lord,
Bind us together Lord,
Bind us together with LOVE.
There is only ONE GOD
There is only ONE KING
There is only ONE BODY
That is why I pray
This was the song I sang this morning as I wait before the Lord.
Tears flowed because our church is not what God wants it to be.
Tears flowed because of what the shepherds are doing to the sheep.
Tears flowed because the shepherds said we are one BODY.
Tears flowed because we cut the untainted part of the body.
Tears flowed because the LOVE of GOD is missing.
Tears flowed because HUMILITY is missing
Tears flowed because INTEGRITY is missing
Tears flowed because CREDIBILITY is missing
Tears flow...................
To "What a shame",
You have commented at 2.47pm as follows :-
"Dr Lum should be allowed to speak up in the coming AGM. Now that he is no more a member, the church will not have the opportunity to hear him out. What a shame! Dont we members and also as Christians want to know the TRUTH?"
I know how you feel. In fact, I know how all Concerned Calvarites feel. We all want to know the Truth; in fact, it is our Lord who has stated that "the Truth will set us free".
Unfortunately, what you & I want is NOT what PG & BOD want. They just DON'T want the Truth to be revealed; thus by sacking Dr Lum they have achieved what they wanted - i.e. NOT to let Dr Lum reveal the Truth at the AGM or even the EGM on 4th April.
The coming EGM is just their PR job to be "seen" that they are moving forward. Moving forward - my foot!
More like they are "running on the spot" which is what PG has learnt after all these years of running on the treadmill at Jackie Chan's expensive gym.
Concerned Calvarites, let's arise for God & for Truth !!!
Enough is Enough !!!
Dear Dr Lum,
Don't let SP and BOD stop you from telling the whole truth. They can remove your membership. But, they can't remove your spirit. They also can't remove truth.
Continue to speak up in whatever ways possible. Use letters. Use press conferences. Use internet. Use placards. Use lawyers. Use authorities.
Importantly, resist this injustice. CC leaders are unChristlike. They loose the moral right to represent Christ because I believe, if Jesus is physically present, He will not behave like this. He has love. He forgives. He restores. He reconciles. He embraces. Definitely, He will not push people away.
Please read the Constitution on the Cessation of Church Membership below and we will find that there is hope for Dr Lum:-
CESSATION OF CHURCH MEMBERSHIP
(RULE VIII of the Church Constitution)
1. The right to discipline Church members shall be vested in the Board of Deacons. The names of those who walk disorderly and depart form the stated Tenets of Faith and are unrepentant of unscriptural conduct such as sexual immorality and fraud, etc, shall be removed from the Church Membership Roll, by a two-thirds majority vote of the Board of Deacons with the counsel of the Church Elders.
2. Individuals under discipline may appeal to the Board of Deacons for reconsideration of their action and for reinstatement.
3. The Board of Deacons, if necessary, may present the matter for dismissal to the congregation for a decision. The Voting members of the Church shall at a duly constituted General Meeting decide by a simple majority vote on the matter and such decision shall be considered final and conclusive. The matter shall not be subject to any other forum or court of law.
Dear Calvarites
The time has come for all voting members to put up resolutions to pass a vote of no confidence on SP and BOD in this coming AGM.
Pass the word around. According to constitution, the power is vested in the members.
King David received a word from the Lord regarding leadership:
"..He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God..."
I don't see this quality in the lives of PG, PG2, his family, the pastors & the deacons of Calvary Church.
Lord, according to Your Word, remove them from leadership....let these, who have become so proud and wise in their own eyes, be de-throned and humbled before You. Vindicate the just who stand for truth, transparency, accountability & good church governance.In Jesus' Name I pray. Amen!
14 Perversity is in his heart,
He devises evil continually,
He sows discord.
15 Therefore his calamity shall come suddenly;
Suddenly he shall be broken without remedy.
16 These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
The TWO QUESTIONS that nailed DR. LUM
There he stood
Already in hot soup with PG-BOD
over the infamous 20 questions with CT
Dr. Lum just had to ask the 2 questions
Even if it meant the guillotine
1)Where are all the love gifts collected from overseas for 40 years by SP?
2)Why is it SP and only one deacon who decide on the salary and annual increment of SP's children and relations?
And the next we hear......Dr. Lum is off the membership list !!
WHY DID THE TWO QUESTIONS RILE THEM UP SO BAD ??
Irresponsible Shepherds
Ezekiel 34: 7-10
7. Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD:
8. "As I live, says the Lord GOD, "surely because My flock became a prey,
and My flock became food for every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd,
nor did My shepherds search for My flock.
But the shepherds fed themselves and did not feed My flock" -
9. Therefore, O shepherds, hear the word of the Lord!
10. Thus says the Lord GOD:
"Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require My flock at their hand;
I will cause them to cease feeding the sheep, and the shepherds shall feed themselves no more;
and I will deliver My flock from their mouths,
that they may no longer be food for them."
Thank you dear Heavenly Father our Shepherd and King, You promised to deliver us from the self seeking irresponsible shepherds/leaders now ruling unjustly in Calvary Church.
Dear Heavenly Father, Hear the cries of Your people.
WE await the salvation and deliverance of the LORD!
In Jesus' Mighty Name we pray...
AMEN.
Reference to
Cessation of Church Membership said... pls note that I am not against what you suggested but share my opinion, nothing personal,ok?
My observation:
a) during TF meeting the previous Saturday, ER, part of BOD tried to curb Dr Lum
b) the termination letter was signed by BF, part of BOD
therefore is it of any use to appeal to BOD?
Maybe someone can brief me on this -
when it comes to notification that you are no longer a member of CC, should not the CEO sign the letter for after all he is the chairman of BOD too.
Abc
Calvary Church version of ISA.
the Boleh church in the Boleh land with the Boleh Kangaroo Court.
What a disgrace to the name of our Almighty God.
I have been a Calvarite for almost 20 years.
Before all this happened, my wife and I had been giving faithfully to tithes, fp, leap in faith, whatever you name it (I've lost track myself). We even encouraged our children to give even as young as they are. We sacrificed to give and it was really piercing to the heart to see our hard earned money not going to places it should be going. This hurt and betrayal of trust has caused us to stop giving. Instead we started giving elsewhere, places which really need the money and not lust for it.
And then, came issues such as stopping leaders who speak out at the GMs from serving, switching off of the mics during EGM and many many other issues which we felt was very very unchristianlike. Eventhough, we did not experience it personally but we feel for those of them who did. Many of them are leaders for as long as I can remember and I have enormous respect for them. It's really unfair of the church to treat them like this when all they did was asking questions, seeking truth and transparency. If the corporate world can practise their corporate governance why can't a church, which should be above the standards set by the world, practise good governance?
Now, to see Dr Lum being sacked was even more discouraging. A leader who have served so well and so long, being removed from membership just because he did the right thing.
The fact that they continued the inquiry despite Dr Lum's absence is still very puzzling. Shouldn't they adjourn it instead? After all this hoo-hah, they decided he is guilty? In reality, if someone is on trial for a crime and he doesn't turn up in court, will the court continue the trial without him or his lawyers and then decides he is guilty and arrests him? No! But why is this happening in church? If they are so scriptural why treat a brother like this? Does Jesus kick us out just because we did something wrong? If they think Dr Lum's actions are unscriptural and they are such scriptural people, they should sit down and talk to him, not just terminate his membership just like that?
When my wife and I heard about this news, we were truly sadden by it. So sad that a church can act like the world out there. So sad that we were even discouraged to invite our friends to the church for fear they might be equally discouraged or worse, turned off from the gospel. Thank goodness, our Lord isn't like this. Now all we can do pray is leave all this in God's hands and God will surely work.
Dear KChun,
I know it has been very discouraging but continue to look up to God and not men.
I have been to Calvary Church for more than 30 years myself and it has been tempting to run and leave the church. Many have asked me to go to other churches. But I think it will be irresponsible.
If our brother, sister, son or daughter has done anything wrong, would you tell him or her that you are no more of the family. Even though Dr Lum has done nothing wrong. He has stood up for the TRUTH.
If they think Dr Lum has conducted himself unscriptually, then have a special meeting of inquiry in the church for all members to attend and to find out if he really has conducted himself unscriptually. If they are so confident that he has, then they should not be afraid to have the inquiry with the whole church. But of course, they will not do it. But this is allowed in the Church Constitution. There is no such thing as a private inquiry. This is not in the Church's Constitution.
Dear ABC,
Havent you noticed so far?
The subject in question has never come forth to answer for himself whether in person or in writing.
So if there is anything wrong later, he would then say, "Not I do one."
But mind you, no activities, meetings, decisions can be allowed in CC without 'someone's' clearance, knowledge or approval.
The alternative blog, CK has held a 'poll' on people's thoughts of the FGTF meeting and based on their measly no. of feedback,ie 36, they have used that to assume that the majority of ppl who attended the FGTF meeting is supportive of what the FGTF has achieved! haha...firstly, many of us didn't even know or bothered to vote in the poll, so obviously it is the alternate blog supporters who have been voting on the poll and suprise, suprise, their supporters will of course be supportive of the bias and unindependent FGTF meeting results. What a immature way to test the reaction of the public!
Hi kchun,
you are absolutely right!the hurt has caused so many to stop giving to CC and start giving to elsewhere. so so sad we do not even dare to invite friends to CC , less they be discouraged or be turned off from the gospel. we salute Dr Lum for blowing the whistle on the unethical and unbecoming behaviour of PG and his BOD.
TRUTH STICKS
The Devil not only hates truth but also fears truth. No matter what he uses from his arsenal—deception, manipulation, propaganda, PR, counter intelligence,… he can
never shake-off , dismiss, or erase Truth!
Truth is Righteousness. And we serve a Righteous GOD.
Therefore, AN INQUIRY IS INEVITABLE
Members ought to see to it that an independent inquiry must be held to get to
the bottom of the 23 issues raised by our beloved former Deacon Dr. Lum , in CT.
Not only is there a miscarriage of justice, it’s absolute disregard of what
Our Almighty God stands for , by the BOD & SP.
Bro & Sisters in Christ, Let’s ask ourselves, are we on GOD”s side?
Hi Dear calvarites
Shall we all set aside some time to fast and pray for the upcoming EGM on 4th April, Saturday? Pray for God's glory to rain down; His anointing to pour forth upon the members and leaders in cc. Let there be love and respect for one another for the forth coming meeting. Let God allow His truth to prevail forever and ever. And let Christ be the center for the Calvary Chruch.
PG and family were sighted at a very luxurious resort last week, having a jolly good time. Surely they stayed in the suites which cost about USD450.00 per night per room. Wonder who paid... Still got mood to go for holiday!
Then came back and sacked Dr. Lum. Where is their conscience?!
Based on conduct of PG and family along with BOD we can see that they have no more conscience or feeling of shame in the whole matter at all.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" Jeremiah 17:9
Man can justify and cover up their wrong doings but it is GOD who will test the heart and bring all things out, whether good or bad into the light.
"I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind,
to reward a man according to his conduct,
according to what his deeds deserve." Jeremiah 17:10
Pastors have been preaching on this subject and many countless topics including godliness, good stewardship and accountability before GOD but they themselves ignore it. Why don't they look into the mirror of Truth themselves?
Pastors and BOD keep deceiving themselves and asserting there is no wrongdoing!
We will keep praying and asking GOD to bring truth, justice and righteousness back to Calvary Church.
Surely God hears the cries of His people.
Let us arise and fast and pray for the Body in Calvary Church.
I, for one, am very surprised BF would sign that letter dismissing Dr. Lum - she & the whole Board of Deacons are being USED by PG & PG2 as scapegoats, & they don't seem to realise it! Now PG can say that it was the BOD's decision, & not his!! How blinded to his evil schemes they are!
I bumped into someone who knew PG & PG2 way back in those early days when they were pastoring the Klang church - she was one of the BIM students doing weekend ministry in that Klang church, & even then she could recognise the immense pride & arrogance in PG & PG2 - thus she was not surprised that he had backslided BIG-TIME (not that he would admit it, though!) - pride goeth before a fall, the Bible says!
How sad that the BOD, for all their self-proclaimed godliness, could not discern the truth about this man, his equally proud wife, & his spoilt, pampered & arrogant family.
Only ONE GOOD MAN from the BOD saw through the deception & the lies but, sadly, he is now being wrongfully accused of causing division, when the REAL CULPRITs behind this whole fiasco are the Guneratnams themselves! If PG & PG2 had feared the Lord and had walked in the Spirit and not in the flesh then this fiasco would not have even happened!
God is a God of great reversals!
That’s just what we learn from Esther. When it appears that events seems to end in tragedy... God reverses everything! He did it in Esther’s case and He still does it today!
In God's providence, Esther – the Jew – becomes Queen and intervenes with her husband, King Xerxes. Haman is killed on the gallows he has prepared for Mordecai (Esther 7). Esther is given the estate of Haman. Mordecai takes Haman's place and becomes the king's right-hand man. And, the king issues an edit granting the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill, and annihilate any armed force of any nationality or province that might attack them and their women and children; and to plunder the property of their enemies (Esther 8:11). All the nobles, satraps, governors, and the king's administrators help the Jews because fear of Mordecai has seized them (Esther 9:3). You know what happens. On the day the enemies of the Jews hope to overpower them, the tables are turned and the Jews have the upper hand over those who hate them. The Jews kill 800 of their enemies in Susa and another 75,000 in the king's provinces (Esther 9:12,15,16).
So do you want to know the outcome of the present Calvary Saga. Just remember Christian History repeats itself – just replace the actors in the Book of Esther with the actors in Calvary Church that are planning to overthrow God’s people and you will know the outcome!
BTW - Do you know that God is not mentioned in the Book of Esther! He works behind the scene outworking His plan.
So who do you think got really sacked from the membership roll? Not Dr Lum! - you and I know who are those who will leave the Church in disgrace. Keep your head high Dr. Lum - and see the Lord vindicate you.
Vijay
Wow Vijay, your words are really a comfort to Dr Lum. We could do no better to comfort him.
Yes, keep your head high Dr Lum!!
Ps 34:7
The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him,
And delivers them.
Ps.91:11,12
For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.
Heb.1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
Father God
Let your angels take charge and protect that which belongs to you
from this day forth
In Jesus Name
Amen
DR LUM’S SACKING LINKED TO THE FOLLOWING ISSUES:
1) Board of Deacons not allowed to keep meeting minutes.
2) He couldn’t remember if BOD approved the transfers, RM1.9M to CIM – no minutes to refer.
3) SP’s views eventually supersedes in BOD meetings.
4) He was excluded from certain crucial Board of Deacons meetings
5) SP wants a freemason to build CCC even though AOG, USA, advised churches worldwide not to be associated with freemasonry
6) SP made a unilateral decision to give Love gift of US$10,000 to Rev Guynes for chairing an EGM. TWO months later he asked the BOD to retrospectively ratify it.
7) SP’s frequent caustic remarks over the pulpit: “ungrateful; jump into the lake; you have an independant spirit; if you don’t give, you stink; are you a snake or a sheep?; go to another church; take another bus; the curse of leprosy followed; etc.”
8) PG’s insistence that Calvary Church has 10,000 members which does not pass the reality test.
9) SP’s & SAP combine pay exceeds RM35,000 a month.
10) Missions funds being use to fund his grandchildren’s & a deacons’ son’s airfare
11) SP does not declare monies received during his local and overseas ministries like all pastors.
12) Reappointment of SP-- Church Constitution requires a ratification by a two-thirds majority..
13) Alliance Bank loan of RM 35 Million CCC should receive approval of the congregation.
14) Rule XIV, Church Constitution must be revoked as it gives too much power to the PG-BOD.
15) The Nomination Committee for the deacons' nominees failed to act independently due to the interference of SP.
16) Church funds of RM15,000 used for SP’s membership fees at the Jackie Chan’s California fitness gym
17) Love offering collected for Rev. Phil Stevenson, was never given to him.
18) Lawyer KK Wong's report and the external forensic auditors’ reports on CIM should be made readily available to all Church members.
19) Salaries of SP's children and their spouses is unknown to the BOD. He evaluates his own family's and their spouses' appraisal forms.
20. SP & Sap travelling on business class airfares :4-5 times the economy class
PG DOES IT AGAIN :
NOW HE DOES THE WRONG THING, BADLY!!
Dr. Lum
He is Medical Practitioner who has been helping poor christians
40 years member of CC
11 years Deacon
NO official complaint by ANYONE about him before
After serving 11 years as a Deacon
He has discovered there is poor governance by PG-BOD.
He wants to warn the congregation who elected him?
WHAT OPTIONS DOES HE HAVE???
?? Announce over the pulpit, which requires PG’s approval??
?? Have an EGM which requires PG’s approval??
?? Have an AGM which requires PG’s approval??
??Send a church circular to the members, which requires PG’s approval??
Can we breathe God’s air, without PG’s approval??
So Dr. Lum went to CT....no choice!
....and he was sacked by PG, ...ratified by BOD (what do u expect) !!
DR. LUM GOT SACKED TRYING TO WARN YOU ALL !
DO YOU CARE ???.
Come to the EGM & AGM !
PG - its an overkill
TO SACK DR. LUM
He is a medical practitioner who has been helping poor Christians.
40 years in Calvary
11 years as Deacon
Never had any complaints before !
HE VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED AS A DEACON !
Dr. Lalitha has also served faithfully for 40 years.
Is it necessary to sack him as a church member ????
Even UMNO knows that the punishment must fit the crime.
But SP & BOD do not know.
WHAT A PITY,
WHAT A SHAME,
....for Calvary and the LITTLE it stands for !!
Dr Lum
Just a suggestion to you. Maybe you should publish all the allegations that you have made against PG and the BOD in the newspaper for the whole world to see.
This will cause AOG body and all the churches to wake up from the slumber. PG and BOD will have to speak out on these matters rather than pretend that nothing is happening in CC.
The pastors of CC can still have communion every month, can still preach every Sunday. By the way, all the messages preached on Sundays are not anointed by God but "anointed" by PG. Every message is preached to brain wash the CC members and regular visitors. Sad case but true. We go to church to be encouraged to grow in the LORD but not in CC. You go to church and will be reprimanded or PG will pray and bind the foul spirit, demonic spirit,etc etc.
Any way, the right thing to pray for is for the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD TO COME DOWN ON CALVARY CHURCH.
PG- BOD & another KANGAROO COURT
ABOUT PG:
1)Lies and half lies expert
2)Lightening transferor of funds
3)Nepotism expert
4)Expert on high life-style living
5)RM 25 K per month
6)Expensive cars paid by church for years
7)Car maintenance by church (Volvo maintenance is v.v.v high)
8)Business class high flyer
9)Offerings collected never declared but all others have to.
10)Over RM 10,000 3-piece suit, RM 700 shoes.
ABOUT Dr. LUM
1)Trying to tell the truth and is being punished
2)Transfers from husband to wife, sometimes
3)Takes care of his own family by honest work
4)Medium life-style living
5)8K per month, maybe.
6)Average car which he pays through loan
7)Maintains own car
8)Economy fight, and hardly flies.
9)No offering taken when he serves so nothing to declare
10)RM 1500 suit, RM 150 shoes.
PG-BOD-Datuk N
Sets up CC 1st KANGAROO COURT
AND SACKS DR. LUM !!!........& PG carries on with his life-style.
And that is PG-BOD’s idea of FAIRNESS IN CHRISTIANDOM & CALVARY CHURCH !!
BTW, What bible version are PG, BOD & Datuk N reading??
DO YOU KNOW?
1. Members & worshipers’ offerings first go to Stipends first and foremost –So, it’s a 100% guaranteed for them.
2. Even if the church’s coffer is dried –up, a 12 month period of their salary/perk Packages are secured in Fix Deposit. A few Million$$$ is set aside for their “security”.
The TRUTH is, even Missions’ work ( GOD’s Kingdom) is NOT priority! --because the ENTIRE Missions Budget is dependent on Faith Promise.
Now, to ‘PG SIGHTED’ at the Luxurious Resort , it should no longer be ‘news’,
ALERT SHEEP has already accurately listed their duties & Lifestyle—as known to all and sundries. whose eyes are not darkened.
However, to the BODs and some others who still see , think & believe PG 1& 2
Dynasty is good for the church, but really, more for their own selfish interest/ self
Preservation, because they fear the Blessings of GOD will leave them—‘BAD’
Things Will happen to their business or family. WHY is it so? Consider the
following:
i) For over 3 Decades PG1 & 2 PREACH only on 1 subject (no matter what or
how his/her sermon is titled. Go check the record from the TAPE MINISTRY):
• FAITH = GIVE MONEY,
GIVE MONEY = HAVE FAITH.
• GIVE MONEY and GOD BLESS YOU WITH MORE MONEY$$$.
• THE MORE YOU GIVE ( Give ALL you possess, he Urged) the MORE YOU RECEIVE.. “pressed down, shaken & overflowing..” WoW!
ii) For Over 3 Decades PG1&2 they instill FEAR ( they claimed ‘anointed and dare anyone exposed them or risk being “dammed”)
EVEN, for those who is asked to serve they need to sign a *“COVENANT” form, which among many terms & conditions, to PLEGDE he/she will GIVE $$$ to Faith Promise, Tithing, Leap in Faith, CCC, etc etc to Calvary church! * The audacity to call it a CONVENANT. Using (misusing) Godly term, Can anyone escape the FEAR factor. ( remember, early on in this blog an ex- Calvarite (who migrated to Canada) testified how This ‘PREACHING’ of must give caused him to feel guilty when he was unable)
3. PG dynasty is so entrenched & secured in their power seat ( or so they think) they openly FLAUNT their lifestyle. (Supported by money from the toils & sweat of the members/worshippers who give, and often sacrificially )
And the most recent sighting of them spending an ESCAPADE in LUXURY, while the church is in CRISIS, and “ poor , dumb sheep & DUBMER BOD” left to defend them, surely need no further convincing of PG1&2 true selves?
Beloved bro and sis in Christ,
The action taken by the BOD appear to target the messenger rather than the message.
The disclosure made by Dr.Lum that is of grave concern to members relates to issues of the church being inappropriately deal with which he believes the Board has failed to reflect the truth, transparency, accountability and good Church governance.
Whilst there maybe criticism of the manner in which Dr.Lum raised these issues, members must nervertherless support Dr. Lum in his effort to disclose what he strongly believes to be in the best interest of the members where fundamental issues pertaining to the finance and governance of the chuch is at stake.
Please be reminded that those who discloses wrongdoings must, notwhitstanding any imperfection in the manner of disclosure should always be encorage to do so.
The BOD instead of investigating into such disclosure to enable all parties a fair opportunity to be heard so that the truth may be ascertained but have decided that Dr.Lum's disclosures to be unscriptural.
As such, your PRAYERS, YOUR VOTE and YOUR VOICE is much needed to defeat the heavy-handedness of the BOD at the coming EGM on 4.4.2009 and/or the coming AGM.
There was once a story that said that the one that saw the fire and shouted Fire! Fire! Fire! was put to jail but the one that caused the fire went scott FREE!
So did Dr Lum set the fire in the church? This question has to be answered by ALL voting members of Calvary Church.
Dear all members (and non members) of Calvary Church,
1) Is your membership with Calvary Church so important that you do not want, or afraid, to speak up lest you end up like Dr. Lum? Calvary Church is just another catholic church; a place of worship.
2) God has not given us a spirit of fear; instead, God has given us discernment.
3) There is no smoke without fire. What is the benefit to Dr. Lum for speaking up? Nothing! Instead, the costs were his time and efforts which could be better expended elsewhere. Also, Dr. Lum and his WHOLE family were ostracized! Dr. Lum spoke up because of his love for the Christian community (including the BOD, ALL the pastors and us). He could have easily moved on to another church and kept quiet and saved his family a lot of angst.
4) Another question which Dr. Lum asked during the FGTF meeting was (paraphrased) what is there to prevent the Trustee to sign away the RM22 million in the bank? How many of you were aware that Calvary Church has RM22 million in the bank? Where did the money come from? It is from you and I... we scratch and scrimp to provide for our families and to give to God. However, whatever we have given to God (via Calvary Church) is not always channelled to the purpose of the collection. Only since the last EGM in 2008, was the pulpit announcement (paraphrased) all collections have been disbursed. Why do you think that announcement was made? To assure us?
5) You must be extremely generous to allow others to squander your givings. Please get your objective right.... you do not give because you want God to bless you hundredfold!
I urge all of you to come out in full force for EGM, AGM and whatever task force workshops and speak up and ask for honest responses from the BOD. Think through the responses given; do not allow anybody to insult your intelligence.
To ALL the Malaysian AOG Ordained Ministers
YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the day of judgment will YOU stand before our LORD JUSTIFIED for your INACTION or will have to accept the burden of your collective guilt for failing to speak out for your suffering brethren
Mat 25:35
for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;
Mat 25:36
naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
I am grieved and appalled by your apathy and complicity in allowing this kind of suffering to happen in the (AOG) body of BODY OF CHRIST.
Check the scripture and prove that I am wrong to say that this is the pinnacle of human conceit and apathy rising against our LORD
LAME EXCUSES OF THE PREOCCUPIED GUESTS in ( Luke 14:18-20)
You will notice that ALL the ORIGINAL invited guests have legitimate reasons for declining the invitation.
They were NOT committing any sins, they were JUST BUSY with legitimate activities – they bought a field, bought five yoke of oxen, and married a wife respectively.
However, I am sorry to inform you that our LORD considers these to be LAME EXCUSES.
Are you having the same SHALLOW EXCUSES for not doing God's will – to speak out on behalf of your suffering brethren.
We may be able to convince ourselves that we have NOBLE reasons for not getting involved, but I am afraid that all too often our excuses are an INSULT to our LORD.
I urge ALL the Malaysian AOG Ordained MINISTERS to take the initiative to resolve this CRISIS and STOP excusing and justifying your INACTION.
Regardless of your view on who you think is right or wrong, ACT now.
You MUST make it your priority if you are a true shepherd and servant of God.
Lastly, I would like to dedicate this poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller,about his experience with the Nazi regime, to you.
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
Casting down imaginations,
and every high thing
that exalteth itself
against the knowledge of God,
and bringing into captivity
every thought
to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:5
Trust And Obey
When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word,
What a glory He sheds on our way!
While we do His good will, He abides with us still,
And with all who will trust and obey.
Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.
Not a shadow can rise, not a cloud in the skies,
But His smile quickly drives it away;
Not a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,
Can abide while we trust and obey.
Not a burden we bear, not a sorrow we share,
But our toil He doth richly repay;
Not a grief or a loss, not a frown or a cross,
But is blessed if we trust and obey.
But we never can prove the delights of His love
Until all on the altar we lay;
For the favor He shows, for the joy He bestows,
Are for them who will trust and obey.
Then in fellowship sweet we will sit at His feet.
Or we’ll walk by His side in the way.
What He says we will do, where He sends we will go;
Never fear, only trust and obey.
I met up with an ex-staff last month for fellowship over tea. During the course of the conversation she asked me, "Who do you think is the brain behind the G Family's steady built-up of wealth, power & status for themselves?" I answered without hesitation, "his wife, PG2!!!". This ex-staff then exclaimed, "You are the only one who have answered correctly!"
It seems that every other person always thinks that PG2 is the humble, kind, soft-spoken & pleasant other-half, the 'unwilling victim' of her husband's excesses! Little do they know that she is the actual mastermind behind the scene!
Having been a church staff for so many years this friend of mine have seen through the lies of the G Family - this was why she was brave enough to leave, long before this expose unfolded!
When truth is required,
SILENCE IS DEFINITELY NOT GOLDEN !!
For PG-BOD,
It is a damned if you do,
damned if you don’t situation
Out of 22 issues exposed by Dr. Lum,
Only 5 were clarified by PG-BOD.
WHY??
lets study one case scenario:
The church will not be happy if PG & SAP earns excessively.
The issue of PG & SAP earning RM35K per month was brought up by Dr.Lum
They could have responded in two ways:
1) Make a public statement regarding the truth: this easiest and the most logical thing to do i.e. make a statement, “ No we DO NOT together earn RM 35 K/mth; but we earn _____/mth. & the problem is cleared immediately !
But I do not think this as the case here.
2)But they chose to be silent
Which implies:
a) It is not true but they just don't wish to reveal the truth OR
b)It is true that they earn RM 35 K per/ mth or more
BUT they need time to strategies how to answer the congregation because this may incur their wrath.
I think what the AG is not aware is the possible implication the problem in CC it has on the entire AOG's existence in Malaysia.
AG is one body and if one part of the body is sick and not taken care of, the whole body may suffer a terrible.......
So AG cannot take the easy way out by folding their arms and say its not their problem and just watch and see what will happen to CC. As the famous Chinese saying goes: kee kee ku kee kee.
Remember what one brother said during the FGTF workshop on 14 Mar about the legal status of AG in Malaysia?
Dear David,
How true, all the LAME EXCUSES !!!!!
Some of the AOG committees were ex Calvarites, therefore they are abstaining from making the decisions
Some of the AOG committees are good friends with our asso. pastors, therfore keeping their hands off.
In other words, they are acting like Pilate, washing their hands.
So looks like all AOG pastors TALK only and very LOUDLY behind the pulpit.
They are all giving LAME EXCUSES !!!!
Shame on all the AOG COMMITTEES !!!!!!!
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
PG just unable to rise above his FLESH
TO BE FAIR TO DR. LUM... or for that matter, anyone.
PG- BOD was able to clarify only 5 out of 22 issues that Dr. Lum revealed.
This infers that BOD could not counter Dr. Lum in 17 issues !!
Which must been extremely awkward for BOD.
So finally PG-BOD with the help of Kangaroo Court
(Chairman Dato’ N, who help PG get his Datukship)
Nailed Dr. Lum
So that he cannot address the congregation at the EGM & AGM.
If TTG has a Kangaroo Court II comprising HM (Chairman), KC, Karen, LL,
Would PG be willing to be subjected to an inquiry??
This just shows how fair PG is !!
He is in control of too many areas of CC !!
He can do unfair things and get away with it !
TRUE CALVARITES !!
DON’T LET HIM HAVE A FREE HAND.
COME & VOTE AT THE EGM & AGM.
AND VOTE HIM OUT !!
To David,
Yes, I agreed with you absolutely that Malaysia AOG must act.
But many of the Malaysia AOG churches are also having the same problems.
If Malaysia AOG are not doing anything, can we request for America AOG to step in??????
The AOG committees are afraid, scared, fearful, etc.........
America AOG, PLEASE HELP !!!!!
Many of us are hurting and like sheep without a shepherd
America AOG, PLEASE HELP!!!!!
America AOG, PLEASE HELP!!!!!
America AOG, PLEASE HELP!!!!!
AG is part of the problem.
Dear Help, Help, Help!(and other like-minded wailers!)
For all your wailing and lamenting, I am sorry to tell you that PG & PG2 still get invited to A/G Malaysia functions! As a VIP, too!
PG & PG2 have planned and executed their rise to fame, power & influence very well indeed, and have covered their tracks well & seem unstoppable!
PG is also still part of Cho Yonggi's Church Growth International and he gets to sit with all those big-shots of A/G USA, etc., at conferences!
So please stop begging men! Look to God instead!
Jeremiah 23:1-2
1."Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!" says the Lord.
2. Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people.
"You have scattered My sheep, driven them away, and not attended to them.
Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings."
says the Lord.
False Prophets Jeremiah 23:11-12
11. "For both prophet and priest are profane;
Yes, in My house I have found their
wickedness." says the Lord.
12. Therefore their way shall be to them like slippery ways;
In the darkness they shall be driven on and fall in them;
For I will bring disaster on them,
The year of their punishment."
says the LORD.
16. Thus says the LORD of hosts:
"Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you,
They make you worthless;
They speak a vision of their own heart,
Not from the mouth of the LORD.
GOD's Sovereignty and Power:
23 "Am I a GOD near at hand," says the LORD,
"And not a GOD afar off?'
Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him? says the LORD;
"Do I not fill heaven and earth? says the LORD.
WE shall not despair for we serve a powerful and almighty GOD. He is faithful and just and He is all knowing and all loving to His children.
There is no one, no deed or action and yes, absolutely nothing that can be hidden from GOD.
Our GOD reigns!
Did you all notice how our Deaconess have drafted this official letter? Looks like she needs Letter Writing lessons.
The letter is addressed to no one. I assume this letter is addressed to Dr Lum BUT she addresses him as "Bro Lum" who is rightfully a qualified medical doctor. Looks like she has taken the liberty to strip him of his medical doctorate title also.
Then she proudly declares herself as "Dr Bernadette Foo". So her msg to Dr Lum is, "I'm a DOCTOR but you're just a BROTHER" meaning "I'm a some body and you are a nobody".
Just proved to me how high and mighty the BODs are.
Dear All
Please pray for God's righteousness to come and fill the whole church during the prayer and fasting from April 1-3.
This will make sure that when God's righteousness prevails, everybody including PG will have to obey the Lord and what the Lord wants to accomplish in this crisis.
GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. HE SEES THE BEGINNING AND THE END OF EVERYTHING.
DR. LUM
Got sacked trying to get truth to you all.
The least you can do is to vote for him.
Come to the EGM & AGM
...
didn't realize that until u mentioned abt the Dr and Bro..how arrogant! what's more, she isn't even a real doctor!
I want to vote that we no longer need to be a part of AG. A church is the body of Christ. We the people decide where we should go. Its not about the pastor or the deacons. Its all about the believers.
Lets leave AG. From what I see many independent churches are very successful.
After all ... what has AG done for us lately?
Thanks for pointing out Dr Bernadette Foo's letter to Bro Lum. This deaconess is really disrespectful and got no professional manners. I wonder what is her profession. She identifies herself as "DR" (definately not a medical one, I'm sure) but she addressed a medical doctor as "Bro Lum".
Such a display of arrogance. Anyway it seems consistent with their true character which we have come to see in the past year. No respect for another person but self exaltation all the way for themselves.
I THINK SHE IS AN ENGLISH LECTURER IN UiTM.
Stop being a hypocrite... don't brother.. brother or sister...sister anyone anymore.
There is no genuine Christian love or respect in CC anymore!
Pastors and BOD only associate, respect and praise those who are wealthy or with position and title, or those who follow them blindly. We have observed the kind of arrogance and pompous attitude that have been so evident for the past year. Many have seen this to be true for even much longer time.
If you are not in the categories described above ...sorry they can't be bothered about you. So what is the difference between the worldly standards and those of CC leadership? None at all.
So why address Dr Lum as Bro Lum when deaconess on behalf of BOD do not mean it and are not sincere about it? Enough of all the show we already know their no good intentions.
Nice on the surface, just for show but altogether different inside.
TTG stands for Truth, Transparency & Governance
GOD STANDS FOR IT TOO !!
Luk 12:2,3: Whatever is covered up will be uncovered, and every secret will be made known.
So then, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in broad daylight, and whatever you have whispered in private in a closed room will be shouted from the housetops.
ALL CALVARITES SHOULD STAND FOR IT!!
Come and vote at the EGM & AGM
TTG stands for TRUTH, TRANSPARENCY & GOVERNANCE
Without it
The Leaders tell lies, half lies, give twisted information, cover up.
This breeds distrust, mistrust and doubt.
Which is happening right now in Calvary Church.
Calvarites, come and vote for TTG
To reveal the lies
Uncover the truth
And make the crooked straight
Joh 1:23 He (John the Baptist) said, “... Make straight the way of the Lord."
PG earns RM 25K per month
Why hasn’t the BOD come out with a statement
...that PG doesn’t earn that amount...and clear his name?
Is it because they cannot tell a lie?
..
yes, because they haven't yet come up with a good enough excuse to answer all questions, they are now playing the blur blur game..the 'let's stick to the issues at hand' game...the 'blame Dr Lum instead of PG' game...the 'Do not touch the anointed' game....
How many of us working professionals can afford to buy our children each a house? Better still in upper class locations. Even my current house also not fully paid, so how to buy for children?
Is PG2 a THESSALONIAN?
Earns around RM 15K per month.
BUT DOES SHE DO ?
WHAT ARE HER JOB SPECIFICATIONS?
What is her commitment towards the building of the WOMEN?
Is the anointing to teach & preach still there?
OR has her service degraded to a video ministry?
WHERE is her time spent?
Leisure resort, shopping malls, grandchildren?
WHO EVALUATES HER WORK. - PG1?
The rest of the Calvary manage
... without having to take their children to work.
But not so with one elitist family !
Why so? Nepotistic privilege?
In 1 The 3: 6 Paul says:
V6 – Stay away from all believers who live idle lives !
V7 – We (Paul & workers) never accepted food from anyone without paying for it.
V10 - ....if you don't work, you don't eat.
When PG1 & PG2 first came, only PG1 was given pay.
Later PG2 was given separate pay coz she was serving effctively.
Is she serving effectively now?
In the world everyone is expected to earn their KEEP.
It should be the same in church.
Otherwise it is pilfering the church coffers !
....filled through Members’ sacrificial contribution.
PG1’s THREE STEPS to PERPETUATE POWER
AT THE BEGINNING : PG1 had to go before the congregation for re-election every 2 years
IN MID-SERVICE: PG1 was required by the Church Handbook to retire at 60 Years old.
RECENTLY: He has been given NO RETIREMENT AGE, by the courtesy of current BOD.
POOR CALVARITES
1. You will have to pay him RM 25K until he dies.
2. You will have to bear with his leadership style until he dies.
3. You will have to support his high life-style until he dies.
4 You will have to support all his family until he dies.
5. Be prepared to support his grandchildren until he dies.
6. And when that happens, dare we hope no one else
with the genetically same leadership style takes over??
No retirement age????
How come we Calvarites were so dumb and naive to allow such a rule in the church where there is no retirement age.
This must be one of its kind in Malaysia!!!
Is there any CEO, MD, Chairmen or government ministers in Malaysia where there is no retirement age for them???
Looks like we were really DUMBED SHEEPS as what one brother puts it during the recent FGTF workshop recently.
Then how come the rest of the church pastors and staff got retirement age?
PG1’s NO RETIREMENT AGE
We normally thinK before we do.
BOD, does something first and then doesn’t even think about what they did.
This is the typical behaviour of our current BOD.
CALVARITES, YOU VOTED THEM IN !!
PG1 taught the BOD that he does not have a retirement age.
Because he serves God.
Then, what about all the other pastors??
They also serve God!
What about the Ministerial Staff??
They also serve God!
What about Office Staff in the Church??
They also serve God!
Will they ALL be given NO RETIREMENT STATUS??
Will the church have to support them all until they all die??
WHAT ABOUT US??
Aren’t we serving the Lord our whole lives??
Yet we all have to retire at a certain age.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE PG1 and ALL of us??
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE !!!
WE ALL SERVE THE LORD THE WHOLE OF OUR LIVES !!
We will all retire from our work place (in the secular world) at a specified retirement age.
ALL the church workers ( including PG1) should retire from the church at a specified retirement age.
BUT ALL( church workers and secular workers) WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE GOD ALL OUR LIFE!!
In other word,
IT DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU ARE SERVING GOD YOUR WHOLE LIFE
THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A “NO RETIREMENT AGE”.
BOD
WHY ARE YOU MAKING PG1 SO SPECIAL !!??
And creating a problem!!
Tun Daniel,
When THE man dies, PG Junior will take over. This is called LEGACY.
Grossly Underestimated
The RM25,000 is just basic monthly pay--
EXCLUDING 1st class benefits & perk s Package:
- Guaranteed 13th month pay +2 mo ex-gratia
- EPF ( another 12% or even higher)
- Housing,
- Medical,
- Insurance,
- CarS ( 3) maintenance,
- Security ( Guards & Dogs + CCTV)
-Travel, 30(?) day leave (maybe no limit, just
whenever they like)
- 'SPECIAL' allowances and what have you.
Add PG2 + Children & Spouses: that's a real FORTUNE.
Be more sorry for us "poor" sheep, literally!
Do you want to give anymore or be WISE with your $ and your VOTE.
At last "once was blind, now we see" Praise God!
Man may devise and scheme but GOD is the One who will determine the outcome....GOD is seated on His throne.
There is no doubt PG is a clever strategist BUT we know no one can outsmart GOD. We may feel we are being outwitted by all the schemes and cover ups and endless twisting and turnings happening in CC by PG and BOD.
However, we know GOD is fully aware of all the happenings. His ways are beyond our understanding and His faithfulness is forever...
BE still and wait for the salvation and deliverance of the LORD! Surely GOD will act against all injustices, wrongful devices and unrighteouesness in His Church.
Come Holy Spirit come and cleanse your Church, come and fill Your lambs, come and set Your Church free...from all oppression and worldly schemes to steal Your glory which only belongs to You and none other.
In Jesus' Mighty Name we pray.
AMEN
I would like to suggest that when anyone make a claim (eg. the two SPs' children houses are located in an upper class area), let it be more based on facts. If the actual location is listed as well, it reinforces the visual image of the claim.
I think many more members would be more appreciative of the fact-based comments here.
Of course, some things may not be easily proven, such as the one where it is alleged that SP paid for the two houses. Be prepared to back this up with solid proof on your end. On the other end, Pam and Jim would have to answer to the IRB for their houses, based on their income.
Of course, since no one except two person in CC knows their income, they may have already done that.
I for one, appreciate all that is written here. I would say for many members like me, this is one main channel for us to know what is happening to the church.
Lastly, I resolve to pray daily for the truth to be told, and any misdeed be exposed and judged by concerned members. I believe God will work on His own plan.
Amen.
Hi, I hear that PG's daughter and son in law have just newly renovated their home in TTDI..go check it out. And PG's son meanwhile lives in bangsar...
To IFollowJesus. I know for sure that the daughter's hse is a corner lot in Tmn Tun and the son's hse in Bangsar, some where near BSC.
Don't be surprised how ppl know this. They got neighbours, contractors, gardeners, plumbers, cleaners who have seen their houses.
The ELITE family of CC
Has been asking for more & more & more & more & more& more & more& more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more !!
And BOD has been giving in, giving in, giving in,giving in, giving in, giving in, giving in !!
ON your behalf, your behalf, your behalf, your behalf,your behalf, your behalf, your behalf!!
BECAUSE
You voted the BOD in, You voted the BOD in, You voted the BOD in,
You voted the BOD in, You voted the BOD in, You voted the BOD in.
AT AGM, ARE YOU GOING TO
Vote them in again ????
The daughter's house renovation cost a bomb!! it is definitely not something that 2 supposedly full time church staff should be able to afford...guess they are so highly paid that doing a few hundred thousand ringgit reno is peanuts to them
By the way, PG daughter's house was a single storey corner house. It was recently renovated to a double storey house. Go see for your self near TDI Primary school.
When you can’t HIDE be TRANSPARENT – LAH
PG1, Everybody knows except you
That you CAN’T HIDE EXTRAVAGANCE.
It shows in the houses you live in,
the cars you drive , the suits and shoes you wear,
the Business Class air-ticket you buy, the Holiday resorts you go to,
.....and the cafes that you patronise.
Be transparent.
JOIN TTG & start a new, good life.
y'all very funny la.
if Dr Lum's "not around", then you guys speak for him la. so hyped up about him not being able to speak cos he's not member anymore for what.
unless y'all hv other motives la.
and, someone mentioned to publish on newspaper.
eh, already publish on blog. all the records of posts will be there 4ever even if the blog is shut down u know, it seems.
still want to publish on newspaper ah? wah, bestnya.
i "salute" y'all.
already giving a bad name to Christians by blogging (CT,BC,CK,CU) and then still want to go to newspapers summore.
NAIVE or just plain STUPID ??
PG1 will NEVER RETIRE from CC.
WHY??
PG1 & his Elitist Family
Are really having it good
FIANCIALLY, IN PERKS & PRIVILEGES.
Just pay alone, 25K/month for PG1
15K/month for PG2, excluding the rest of family.
They are happily supported by CALVARITES!!
Their pay, perks & privileges
Are in the top 1% of the Church.
CALVARITE scrape & scrounge to support them
CALVARITES are either extremely generous, NAIVE or.......
I support the fact-based comments requested by 'I support Jesus'. If anyone knows the addressess of the two children of SP, please provide. It is a fact; not anything that was created, right? Facts/documents speak for themselves. By comparing a renovated house to an unrenovated house, we can deduce the amount of money went in there. Bear in mind the interior has not been taken into consideration.
Covetousness is a form of idolatry
Colossians 3:5 (New King James Version)
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
We should flee such unrighteousness.
“Those who do not work should not eat.”
(2 Thessalonians 3:10).
The desire to make money without working for it is an unrighteous desire.
People who use schemes to take advantage of others are using a form of deceit.
God uses work to build and shape our character.
He delights in providing for those who put His Kingdom and His Righteousness first.
God's Kingdom is not promoted by unrighteousness.
It is promoted through the loving sacrifice of those who are obedient to the Lord Jesus Christ.
RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUSTICE ARE THE FOUNDATION OF HIS THRONE
Pastors Salary Survey by NECF Malaysia
Dear Saints,
Hope the statistics below will give you an indication on the reference point and definition of extravagance
THE NECF MALAYSIA SURVEY OF CHURCHES, PASTORS AND CHRISTIANS CONDUCTED THREE YEARS AGO SHOWED THAT 19.4% OF PASTORS INTERVIEWED RECEIVED AN AVERAGE MONTHLY SALARY OF RM1,000, WHILE ABOUT 50% EARN BETWEEN RM1,000 AND RM2,000.
ABOUT 80% SAID THE INCOME WAS INADEQUATE OR JUST ENOUGH TO MEET PRESENT NEEDS.
OVER EIGHT PERCENT CITED INSUFFICIENT INCOME AS THE GREATEST DISCOURAGEMENT TO THEM.
When you read the scripture you cannot help but noticed that the EARLY CHURCH distributed MATERIAL WEALTH according to NEEDS so that there were NONE who LACKED and none had TOO MUCH.
2Co 8:14
AT THE PRESENT TIME, YOUR SURPLUS FILLS THEIR NEED, SO THAT THEIR SURPLUS MAY FILL YOUR NEED. IN THIS WAY THINGS ARE FAIR
2Co 8:15
AS IT IS WRITTEN, "THE PERSON WHO HAD MUCH DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH, AND THE PERSON WHO HAD LITTLE DID NOT HAVE TOO LITTLE."
Our EARLY-CHURCH brethren set an example on how material wealth should be distributed
DECIDE for YOURSELF on whether YOU would want to follow this EXAMPLE in your GIVING.
SOURCE: Berita NECF
Issue: November –December 2003
Title: Minding Our Shepherds
TTG –PG-BOD dissension
CAN BE RESOLVE EASILY IMMEDIATELY !!
The scenario is like this:
PG-BOD holds a pot containing a brick.
PG-BOD says the brick is white.
TTG says the brick is black.
WHO IS RIGHT?
SET UP AN INDEPENDENT PANEL OF INQUIRY
PG-BOD brings pot to panel.
Panel sees whether brick is black or white.
Panel informs the church.
PROBLEM IS SOLVED !!!
WHY is it NOT being DONE ??
1. PG-BOD refuses to cooperate with the TTG to set up the PANEL !!
2. PG-BOD does not want the pot to be seen by a panel.
ALL CALVARITES worth your salt should be asking WHY ??
Praise the Lord for this is the day the Lord has made and we will rejoice and be glad in it. Let us all have a song in our hearts to sing in every circumstance that the Lord so choose to put us in, as individuals and corporately as a Body.
A group of us met for our weekly Prayers together last night. We constantly commit every plan and action of ours to God for His final approval and guidance. We desire God's blessings and confirmation to us, individually and as a group, in the things that we do or say, and He has continually reminded us that this is ultimately HIS BATTLE - NOT OURS. CC is HIS CHURCH and we are all HIS CHILDREN. He will work out HIS PLAN and PURPOSES in all of us.
Now on to a more serious note, we would like to clarify a comment made by "Dr ... & Bro ..." on March 24, 2009 11:04 PM. The letter was addressed to Dr Lum but we had published the Letter from the BOD, without Dr Lum's address for privacy and security reasons. However, the rest of the Letter is untouched.
To IFollowJesus and KKB's request for SP's two children's addresses to be made known here. CT would say, the same rule applies. We will not publish their addresses even if someone do respond to your request, for privacy and security reasons again. (However, if anyone do know their addresses, CT would appreciate that piece of info)
Now on to an even more serious note. Please make a point to attend the EGM on 4th April, which also happens to be the "Cheng Beng" weekend. We are looking at the "Proposed amendments to Church Constitution" as put up on the Church notice board last week and will keep you updated soon.
Have a good day and God Bless.
The more I read and discover about SP's family, the more I see that something is amiss somewhere.
Why are we told to Leap and leap even higher in faith to give to the CCC building fund while he and his family at the very same time do massive renovations to their houses? My thots running wild here, are we also paying for their renovations and the bill is put to CCC without our knowledge? Any one seen the actual break down of the CCC building cost?
ACCOUNTABILITY : LEADERS NEED ALARM BELLS
(Galatians 6:7-10)
Extract from The Maxwell Leadership Bible Page 1433
Quote:
"We can't pull a fast one on GOD. He sees all and cannot be deceived.
He notices our shortcuts and also our efforts when we do well.
To ensure that we live by this truth, seek others to hold you accountable and act as your "alarm bells".
Invite others to ask you tough quesions, such as the following:-
1. Is my personal walk with GOD up- to-date?
2. Am I keeping my priorities straight?
3. Am I asking myself the hard questions?
4. Am I accountable to someone in authority?
5. Am I sensitive to what GOD is saying to the whole Body of Christ?
6. Am I over-concerned with building my own image?
7. Do I put more stock in "events" rather than "process'?
8. Am I a loner in my leadership and personal life?
9. Am I aware and honest about my weaknesses?
10. Is my calling constantly before me?"
Unquote--
Pastors and BOD are still humans they need to constantly check themselves and have to be accountable to someone or else pride and arrogance can creep in and when temptations are rife... men and women can fall.
There are numerous examples. The question is when one falls no matter how high he is positioned now....
Is he prepared to humble himself and repent before GOD and man?
Or will he still hang on there and deny everything and put blame on others?
Why was King David acknowledged by GOD and referred to as one close to GOD's heart but King Saul was not?
It was because King David acknowledged his sins, eventhough they were serious and terrible sins, and he asked GOD for forgiveness and he fully repented ...
but King Saul did not.
So it was the attitude and humility of King David
that was so vital to his recovery and restoration before GOD!
May we find true humiity in our Church leaders.... how sad even until now that they are still clinging to their own self righteous and stubborn ways.
BOARD OF DEACONS
Call them what you like:
--Advisors, Counsellors, Consultants.
It doesn’t matter.
What matters is that Deacons form the Managerial Team of Calvary Church,
.... responsible to ensure that CC runs legally, efficiently and with integrity.
And they do this on behalf of the congregation who elected them in.
Each deacon must have enough grit to say “NO”
.... when it is necessary to say “NO”......to PG1
And to firmly say “YES” when it is necessary to say “YES”.....to PG1
CALVARITES, our church is basically congregational in structure.
You, the congregation, are given the full authority to vote the BOD into position.
It does NOT mean that PG1 is the one running the church
......and the deacons are there just to assist him!
THE WHOLE CHURCH SHOULD BE RUN BY THEWHOLE BOD as TEAM !!
If the deacons do not have enough gumption to do this then,
..... they SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BOD!!
COME for the AGM
We need you to vote the right deacon in.
For a fact I know an intermediate lot of the Bukit Bandar link house ( original condition without any renovation done) was transacted at RM950,000.
Guneratnam Junior's house which is a corner lot would could not cost any less( at peak of economy high). Add all the major renovations, it's not far fetch to estimate it over RM1.5 MILLION.
It was disclosed somewhere, that it's under Petrina G's name, bec it was purchased with her EPF as a gift ( Million dollars, nothing less)
So, speaking of substantiation to all the "RICHES" they amassed, though the BOD still refused to disclose( which is another unrighteous issue to contend with), are the MATERIAL POSSESSIONS, CIM and lifestyle of the Guneratnams' not proof enough?
As suggested before : Why not get them to sign Assets Declaration, to settle this once and for all?
May I know how many members can amassed more that one million in the EPF??? What more, the pastors?
Dear JSK,
The church is so secretive, you dont expect to be given any breakdown cost of anything.
Do you remember the replacement of the church pews?
There was no earlier announcement in the church and one Sunday morning when you go to church, all the still-good pews were replaced.
Why?
I questioned a BOD on that Sunday, and he also admitted that he didnt know anything about it.
I have been in CC for so many years, and the pews were still in good condition. So why did they replace it.
So how many chairs do we have now? 1100? Each new one cost how much?
Where did the old pews go? Isnt there any salvage value? Or should we not give to some small needy churches?
So many unanswered questions and how ironical is that you cannot find the answer in the church.
Sigh...
TRY BOTTOM UP, not TOP DOWN for once.
Are you confident
that the Nominating Committee for Deacons Nominee
Chose really good people?
After all, the Nominating Committee
Were chosen by the BOD (control by PG1)
This the TOP DOWN method.
Deacons should be leaders respected by the congregation,
Through their service of the congregation.
Hence shouldn’t the congregation be the ones to
NORMINATE and ELECT the deacons??
This the BOTTOM UP method.
CONTROL OF CHOICE OF NOMINEES
Should be wrested, ONCE AND FOR ALL from PG-BOD.
In the coming AGM
Move for the BOTTOM UP method
It is the Congregation-in-control Method.
Move against the TOP DOWN method
This is the PG-BOD-in-control Method
Which has been used for 40 years now,
Resulting in PG1 controlling everything !!
CHURCH PEWS
Church pews changed without anyone telling you??
Leaders can be changed by you without you telling them too !!
CAST your VOTES WISELY
In the EGM & AGM.
A rainbow stretches from one end of the sky to the other
Each shade of color
Each facet of light
Displays the radiant spectrum of God's love -
A promise that He will always love each one of us at our worst and at our best
We may depend upon God's promises, for .....
He will be as good as His word
He is so kind that He cannot deceive us
He is so true that He cannot break His promise
Quote from Matthew Henry
To "Church Pews",
You said "I questioned a BOD on that Sunday, and he also admitted that he didnt know anything about it."
I heard the same thing about Deacons not knowing about the new pews. I also heard that the Treasurer (ER) was shocked when he saw the bill for RM 250,000 (1,000 chairs X RM 250 each). It seems ER was heard to have mention that "I thought it was only RM 25,000".
Either our Treasurer was sleeping or more likely he had been hoodwinked by someone. I wonder who that someone would be ......
As for your questions "Where did the old pews go? Isn't there any salvage value? Or should we not give to some small needy churches?"
Let me try to answer them ....
Some Calvarites who went to Calvaryland (at different occasions) saw them there. Instead of selling them for salvage value or giving them to small & needy churches to bless them, it seems that our PG prefer to let the old pews collect dust at Calvaryland. Is this action considered being a good steward?
What Would Jesus Do ?
What Would Jesus Do ?
What Would Jesus Do ?
I find from practice that if you ask yourself the above question 3 times, usually you will get the right answer. Try it.
Guys:
Let's not make any speculation as to how the CCC building fund is utilised.
CC today is going from bad to worse, and I believe sticking to the agenda (and facts) will help the 'truth, transparency, governance' cause.
I hope this is not seen as 'holier than thou' attitude, because I really am not.
I am one of those originally sitting on the fence, but have since swung over to also seek the truth by most of the constructive comments here.
Yeah people. Stick to the issue at hand. I heard that BOD will be giving their answers to Dr Lum's 23 issues in his interview here. They sacked him so that he cannot be there at the EGM to answer to their accusations. It will be again "got they talk, no you talk".
We must re-read Dr Lum's interview and go prepared with questions to ask on behalf of Dr Lum. That's the least we can do for him since SP & BOD made sure that he cannot be there.
Anyone got any ideas how to smuggle Dr Lum in?
For many years it has been an established and audacious policy of rule by intimidation with frequent display of tantrums and childish acts. Remind me of a popular lyric in a song "Whatever Lola wants Lola gets" Hopelessly spoilt by all. Yes, many contributed to massaging his ego in some ways in the past
Ever since from 1985 the Church Constitution passed with revisions for powers to be concentrated on essestially one person with a Board of deacons, the man has ensured with manipulation that only soft and "malleable" persons are taken in to the Board. In the course of the many years, several spiritually minded and upright persons decided to call it a day but any institution is not shor of wannabes. Thus leaving behind an institution of a core group of yes persons to play his games. Result the horrifying and impossible abuses of power revealed in the blog after the stage-managed EGM is mid-August last year.
Until former deacon Dr. Lum said to himself "enough is enough" after the EGM. For his courage, he and family got the boot.
Sadly the proposed resolutions for the coming EGM are mere cosmetics in nature and these basic sets pf financial rules and practices should have been in place since day one ie 1985 revision. It is spirtual negligence of the highest order of all those so-called "elected" BODs supposedly overseeing the running of the affairs of Calvary Church all these years.
Now witnessed recently some of the pastors who acted more as school bullies and at times doing the job of a bouncer and delivery boys whenever instructed by the sole dominant mover and shaker, the family and BODs. How very sad to develop into this kind of activities which cannot be promoted in any Church's job descriptions Letter of Appointment!!
How sad to witness that the last straw is the setting up of a kangaroo court and the unceremonious sacking of a former church deacon long time member and faithful worshipper of the church because of his courage to speak the truth.
Enough is enough. Let you good Calvarities and believers be the oneto decide who is the party in all truth and sincerity should step down for causing all the disunity, bad blood and spiritual division. Let us take sometime to read the essential disclosure in the blog to consider and find the root cause and provide Dr. Lum and family who must at least have just cause to seek for mercy and restoration of his legitimate membership.
**This was posted on CU. Thought I'd post here as well to be fair.**
Hi there (to CK)
Thank you for the update and explanations on the recent article on Dr Lum's Interview.
I am not sure about others, but my first reaction when I read your explanations is that you are trying to justify some of your points based on technicalities.
I think at this point, everyone agrees that SP and his immediate family is pretty rich. Of course, nothing wrong with God's blessing. I would not go into how the wealth is accumulated as I do not have a credible source of information.
However, SP and his family, I believe, has the means to afford the airfare. Sure, he is the SP and would have not problem accessing the funds. But it is the Missions fund. We give for missions purposes. The airfare can hardly be called mission, especially if it is given to someone (not necessarily SP) who has more than enough pay for the airfare himself.
It is a different story if the airfare is paid to someone who really needs it, someone who can't afford the airfare. That I believe is more inline with the statement
"missions budget has also been used to provide support, care and relief for Church members and their families as well as full time workers"
Again, for fairness sake, I've posted this on both CU and CT.
Thank you
IFollowJesus
GODLY MEN ARE SILENT
BUT Crooked Christian Leaders have to be too.
WHY??
Supposing a pastor has a bungalow
and a apartment in Bangsar
and a Double storey house in Bukit Jalil,
that’s just too much for him/her to own.
They would not want to let the congregation know.
So if you were to ask them if that is true,
If they say YES, it may upset the congregation.
If they say NO, they are telling a LIE.
So guess how will they respond?
.........SILENCE !
Some pastors are quite at good at this,
.......they have been doing it for a long, long time.
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