SPECIAL NOTE :
This is an additional note from the Plaintiffs in response to the many offers of financial contribution from our readers to cover the legal cost incurred.
Thank you all for your offer to contribute towards the legal cost. With the empathy of the high court judge our legal cost to the defendants is only RM7,000 and not the RM100,000 requested. Our two lady lawyers have been on the case for almost three years and they did it pro bono, i.e., foc. The legal cost and disbursements have been covered by some core TTG members. We thank you once again for your willingness to be part of this journey for righteousness sake.
Our two lawyers did a fantastic job at the hearing. They served out of a sense of indignation and a passion for justice and righteousness to be restored to Calvary Church. You can bless and encourage them with a word of appreciation through a thank you note or an email message via CT email : calvarytoday@gmail.com
Our two lawyers did a fantastic job at the hearing. They served out of a sense of indignation and a passion for justice and righteousness to be restored to Calvary Church. You can bless and encourage them with a word of appreciation through a thank you note or an email message via CT email : calvarytoday@gmail.com
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This article was emailed to CT by one of the Plaintiffs.
Many have asked why the Plaintiffs did not exhaust all the avenues available to them in the Constitution before going to court. Why did they not requisition for an EGM?
The reason is that the provisions in the Constitution were engineered to make that almost impossible. There are provisions for members to requisition for an EGM but the requirements are there to make sure we cannot do it.
The Constitution in Rule IX.(1) provides that the quorum for any general meeting shall be “one-fourth of the total voting membership of the Church”.
However, this is modified by the next clause that says,
“If within half an hour from the time appointed for a General Meeting a quorum is not present at the said meeting, the Voting members so present shall by a two-thirds majority vote resolve that all Voting Members so present shall constitute a proper quorum for such a General Meeting, notwithstanding Rule IX(1) above…”
This means that, at the extreme, just one Voting Member present would be enough to form the quorum. After half an hour he can vote and have a unanimous decision that he is the quorum.
However, the above provision is not applicable if the General Meeting was requisitioned by the members. Let’s say that there are 800 voting members. To requisition for an EGM we would need to get at least 200 (one-fourth) Voting Members to sign.
After that the requisition would be handed to the Board. The Board then has 30 days to convene the meeting. If they failed to do so the requisitioning members can hold the meeting. However, the quorum for such a meeting that had been requisitioned by the members is now 400 (one-half) Voting Members.
Although the Plaintiffs were confident of getting the 200 signatures they were however not confident that at least 400 would turn up. PG and the Board with its propaganda machinery through the Life Groups could easily persuade the Voting Members not to be present for the Requisitioned EGM by the members. They could be intimidated not to be present with “your position could be at risk” talk.
Therefore, the requirements in the Constitution made it almost impossible for the Plaintiffs to successfully requisition for an EGM.
Previously, the average attendance for an AGM is 60% to 70% of the Voting Membership. However, at the recent EGM held on the 20 May 2011, the attendance was only slightly more than 200 Voting Members.
So, in view of the requirements imposed for requisitioning for an EGM, the Plaintiffs instead tried to have their Resolutions put before the members at the 2009 AGM. They just wanted the members to decide and be allowed to exercise their rights as Church Members to vote but PG and the Board refused to even allow the members to make their decision.
There is a "feel good" clause in Rule IX which says, “The full powers of administration of the Church are vested in a General Meeting of the church members.”
We now realise that that Clause is a lie. It was placed there to make the members feel good. Members at a General Meeting do not have full powers of administration. This is just a hanging statement, and there are no subsequent provisions to support this statement.
Instead, all subsequent provisions in the Constitution give full powers to the Board as seen in Rule XIV which states that Board is “…the sole authority for the interpretation of the Rules and By-Laws.”
This was the Clause that the Board used to throw out the Resolutions submitted by the Plaintiffs. The Board is given full authority to interpret the Constitution to their own advantage.
We are now in bondage to the Constitution that was most cleverly crafted by PG in 1985. At that time we all thought he could do no wrong. We all voted for the Amended Constitution without understanding its implications. Some actually did have private meetings with PG at that time to voice their concerns about the absolute powers given to the Board but yet voted for the 1985 Amended Constitution. We were blinded by our trust in PG as the Senior Pastor of Calvary Church.
If the Constitution is so badly flawed why not change it?
Ah! Yes, but only the Board can make changes to the Constitution, not the ordinary Voting Members because,
Rule XV(1) says, “…no resolution to amend the Rules and By-Laws shall be brought before the Church by the Board of Deacons unless it has the support of at least two-thirds of the Board of Deacons.”
So unless the Board initiates THE CHANGE, there can be no changes to the Constitution.
The Board would not initiate it unless PG approves of it.
The Constitution Review Committee had been in existence for more than two years, since the start of this CC Saga, yet nothing has happened until today. The only amendments made were those recommended by the Financial Task Force pertaining to the appointment of External Auditors and a Financial Controller for the Church.
Until today the Financial Controller has not been appointed. This shows that PG and the Board has just put it all up just as window dressing and lip service to pacify the members when things were getting hot at that time.
The Plaintiffs recognized that changing the Constitution is most important for things to improve in Calvary Church. In the recent court-assisted mediation the Plaintiffs proposed that the Church Board set up an Independent Committee comprising the two sets of lawyers “…to review and draft such amendments as would be appropriate for a congregational church with such checks and balances, structures and procedures as are necessary for good church governance”.
PG and the Board rejected it. They are not interested in good church governance. They are only interested in maintaining the structure that had protected their power base including the power to control more than RM100 million of assets belonging to the Church, rightly said as belonging to the Members of the Church.
No body gives up power willingly. It would require a popular uprising. But PG is smarter than most leaders. There can be no popular uprising in Calvary Church. He had removed the threat before it can happen. He got rid of all those whom he thought could be part of the uprising. He got rid of whole families. This action by PG was endorsed by the Board and the Associate Pastors.
When questioned how this could happen they just kept quiet, unable to give any reply. They are equally guilty of this crime against the members, the purging of members which is not unlike ethnic cleansing.
So we see now, the Calvary Church Constitution which was so cleverly and deceitfully crafted by PG in 1985 that today in 2011, when tested, we see the extend of its power that even the High Court cannot give us, the members of Calvary Church due justice.
However, today we recognise God’s hand in leading us, the members of Calvary Church, to expose this deceit embedded in the Calvary Church Constitution which was so cleverly hidden all these years.
If God is not with the Concerned Members, then how could a small group of members cause such a stir in a large Church Organization such as Calvary Church, Kuala Lumpur which is pastored by a world renowned man?
What was hidden from the Church Members is not hidden from God. God knows everything and He will expose all sins and wrong doings especially those done under the guise of His matchless Name.
What is the expose that we feel God has revealed and warned us about, through this Calvary Church Saga?
The Constitution of Calvary Church is so powerful that even the high court cannot give us due justice. The danger now is that domineering Pastors, Pastors of independent churches and AOG churches, Pastors that are not under the oversight of a denominational authority or those registered as a Berhad or a Society, will take the Calvary Church Constitution as their model.
These churches are not governed by any law or authority. They are an authority unto themselves. If you are attending such a church beware. No one can help you when there are financial mismanagement or abuse of power. The AOG General Council or the NECF cannot interfere or intervene. Now we found out not even the Courts of the land can. You are at the mercy of your Senior Pastor. What if they are no longer serving the Lord but themselves?
“An astonishing and horrible thing has been committed in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own power; And my people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?” Jeremiah 5:30,31
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Note from the administrator :
These are words of encouragement from a caring brother who have been constantly giving us encouragement to help us along in this journey. We are grateful that God has sent people like Bro. Vijay whom we do not know personally but through his words of encouragement here have become a familiar friend and brother to the TTG cause.
The Constitution of Calvary Church is so powerful that even the high court cannot give us due justice. The danger now is that domineering Pastors, Pastors of independent churches and AOG churches, Pastors that are not under the oversight of a denominational authority or those registered as a Berhad or a Society, will take the Calvary Church Constitution as their model.
These churches are not governed by any law or authority. They are an authority unto themselves. If you are attending such a church beware. No one can help you when there are financial mismanagement or abuse of power. The AOG General Council or the NECF cannot interfere or intervene. Now we found out not even the Courts of the land can. You are at the mercy of your Senior Pastor. What if they are no longer serving the Lord but themselves?
“An astonishing and horrible thing has been committed in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own power; And my people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?” Jeremiah 5:30,31
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Note from the administrator :
These are words of encouragement from a caring brother who have been constantly giving us encouragement to help us along in this journey. We are grateful that God has sent people like Bro. Vijay whom we do not know personally but through his words of encouragement here have become a familiar friend and brother to the TTG cause.
Spiritual Ploughing
"But Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:62).
I am with my elders in Dallas, Texas who are aware of the Calvary Church saga and the verdict of the court. The Word for those fighting the good course is Luke 9:62. The Lord has commissioned these not to look back but to pursue the righteous course in FAITH.
The Elders were not surprised with the verdict of the court! It was meant to be. It came from the throne of God. Although it may appear, those who fought the Good Fight “lost”, but in the Spiritual world, they have already won! It is those who have desecrated the house of God, i.e. the present leadership, the AOG and spiritually blind members who have lost.
I mention the AOG because the learned judge pointed out that among the remedies available, “the Plaintiffs should have requisitioned for a special EGM to petition for the intervention of the Assemblies of God of Malaysia to resolve the problems in Calvary Church.”
(However, we all know that the provisions in the Constitution are engineered to make this an almost impossible task.)
NEVERMIND. Yes, the court has given its verdict, but God has given His final verdict even before the Calvary Church saga materialized. Nevertheless, before the Lord executes His judgment, He wants us to come to the end of all hope so that when His vengeance is executed, the AOG, the present leaders and the spiritually blind members will know that it is GOD who delivered His people. God is jealous of His glory and will never allow another to rob Him of His glory!
How true the conclusion in the Blog: “The AOG General Council or the NECF cannot interfere or intervene. Now we found out not even the Courts of the land can. We are at the mercy of the Senior Pastor. What if they are no longer serving the Lord but themselves?”
Indeed we are at wit’s end. We no longer have the answer to the Calvary Church saga. BUT GOD DOES!
"But Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:62).
I am with my elders in Dallas, Texas who are aware of the Calvary Church saga and the verdict of the court. The Word for those fighting the good course is Luke 9:62. The Lord has commissioned these not to look back but to pursue the righteous course in FAITH.
The Elders were not surprised with the verdict of the court! It was meant to be. It came from the throne of God. Although it may appear, those who fought the Good Fight “lost”, but in the Spiritual world, they have already won! It is those who have desecrated the house of God, i.e. the present leadership, the AOG and spiritually blind members who have lost.
I mention the AOG because the learned judge pointed out that among the remedies available, “the Plaintiffs should have requisitioned for a special EGM to petition for the intervention of the Assemblies of God of Malaysia to resolve the problems in Calvary Church.”
(However, we all know that the provisions in the Constitution are engineered to make this an almost impossible task.)
NEVERMIND. Yes, the court has given its verdict, but God has given His final verdict even before the Calvary Church saga materialized. Nevertheless, before the Lord executes His judgment, He wants us to come to the end of all hope so that when His vengeance is executed, the AOG, the present leaders and the spiritually blind members will know that it is GOD who delivered His people. God is jealous of His glory and will never allow another to rob Him of His glory!
How true the conclusion in the Blog: “The AOG General Council or the NECF cannot interfere or intervene. Now we found out not even the Courts of the land can. We are at the mercy of the Senior Pastor. What if they are no longer serving the Lord but themselves?”
Indeed we are at wit’s end. We no longer have the answer to the Calvary Church saga. BUT GOD DOES!
During the time of Jesus, ploughing was the most difficult and the heaviest work that anyone might contemplate. For one thing it is at a time of the year (winter) when things are most difficult. Yet, against everything the ploughmen have to force their way. In addition, ploughing is a lonely task and only a few have the emotional capability to do the job.
That is exactly what Calvary Today, TTG and other supporters of the righteous course such as the two lady lawyers (who acted pro bono) have done…….they have ploughed alone through the difficulties.
Have you ever pondered who is behind the events that have now become the Calvary Church saga? We may think it is satan, the rogue leaders, the BOD, the AOG or even members of the spiritually blind congregation. The truth is - it is not. The initiator is no one else BUT GOD!
God has determined according to the council of His will to use satan, the rogue leaders, the AOG and spiritually blind members as pawns to carry out His plan. For the Lord has purposed to ‘stir up the eagles nest’ and purge the present state of Christianity in Malaysia, including the AOG.
Anyone preaching that all is well with Christianity in Malaysia is not hearing from the Lord. They speak of peace when in reality there is no peace. Those who chose to remain silent with events at Calvary Church and gone about their own business without reaching out to the suffering members will realize that they have been excluded in the future purposes of God. They will not be His instruments of Glory for that He has purposed in Malaysia.
Have you ever wondered why does the farmer plough? The farmer ploughs to produce a harvest. But before he can sow the seeds, he must scourge the land.
Ploughing means the disturbing and breaking up, of settled conditions. When things and people have settled down, they do not like being disturbed, turned over, and broken open. Ploughing is the uncovering of what is hidden, and no one likes that – including those the Lord has commissioned such as the AOG to take care of His affairs.
Our greatest fear is that at this kairos moment, many who have fought the Good Fight are tempted to give up. We could say, 'No, it is too much' and our hearts can so easily be turned back by the consciousness of how much there is to be done. The temptation is ever present because of the vastness of the demand, its hopelessness and beyond us.
But Lord knows everything about our weariness in the way. The Lord Jesus knew something about that. "Jesus... being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well" (John 4:6). Our greater enemy is weariness.
Jesus as the chief of all the ploughmen of God accepted the difficult field and had commissioned His fellow-workers and said, "No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God". The heart must not go back. We must not contemplate giving up.
Vijay, Dallas, Texas
www.normangrubb.com
June 1, 2011 8:16 AM
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48 comments:
PG,
I HIGHLY RECOMMENDED YOU READ THE BOOK,
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** THE MAN WHO COULD DO NO WRONG **
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YOU GAVE US THIS BOOK MANY YEARS AGO.
PLEASE READ THE LAST FEW CHAPTERS
Yet God does all of these things for us only in his time, according to his
divine schedule. He has no deadlines pushing him. And he ignores all demands
for an instant cure-all. In short, true faith on our part demands that we
patiently wait on our Lord. Our response to him should be, “Lord, I believe
you’re true to your Word. And by the power of your Spirit within me, I’m
going to wait patiently until you bring these things to pass in my life. My
part is to remain in faith, waiting on you.”
Our great need for patience is repeated throughout the book of Hebrews:
• “For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by
no greater, he sware by himself…and so, after he had patiently endured, he
obtained the promise” (Hebrews 6:13-15, italics mine).
• “Be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and
patience inherit the promises” (6:12).
• “For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will
of God, ye might receive the promise” (10:36).
Promises
David Wilkerson
A native American proverb:
A native American grandfather talking to his grandson tells the boy he has two wolves inside of him struggling with each other. The first is the wolf of peace, love and kindness. The other wolf is fear, GREED and hatred. "Which wolf will win, grandfather?" asks the boy. "Whichever one I feed." is the reply.
By Mahatma Gandhi:
Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every mans's greed.
PG is not just an ordinary conman-he is exordinary.I kind of admire him for his slippery character- he is as slippery as an eel.I think he is in the same category of The Yellow KId-conman extraodinaire- who can convert storehouses into banks, hire cheap prostitutes as cashiers and when the folks bring in the cash- can disappear overnight without a trace.Maybe he has read his books.
"You are of your father- the devil"- Jesus Christ
I am surprised that God did not use LM to prophecy that the excommunication of 400 of his worshippers was not His will.CC has now become a place of religious deception.They are tempting God- and they are about to find out that taking Gods Name has its consequences.Run for your lifes- run from CC before they smear you with their lies again. Run!!!
TGG DO NOT LOSE HEART-CAN SOMEBODY START THE BALL ROLLING PLEASE? MY FAMILY WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING TOWARDS THE LEGAL COSTS OF RM7,000.TGG FOUGHT FOR ALL OF US.ITS A LESSON FOR ALL AOG CHURCHES THAT IF THEY ARE HIGHHANDED IN THEIR DEALINGS- THEY MIGHT LAND THEMSELVES IN COURT.WE LOVE YOU TGG AND YOU DID NOT DO ANY WRONG IN BRINGING THEM TO COURT- THEY WONT LEARN ANY OTHER WAY.
COMMENET ON:-
The Constitution of Calvary Church is so powerful that even the high court cannot give us due justice. The danger now is that domineering
Pastors, Pastors of independent churches and AOG churches, Pastors that are not under the oversight of a denominational authority or those registered as a Berhad or a Society, will take the Calvary Church Constitution as their model.
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OF COURSE NOW MANY AOG PASTORS WILL START TAMPERING WITH THEIR OWN CHURCH CONSTITUTION TO MAKE THEIR OWN POSITION SECURE- SP HAS SHOWN THEM THE WAY!! FABULOUS EXAMPLE FROM A SENIOR PASTOR. FROM JALAN SAYOR YOU HAVE COME A LONG WAY INDEED!!!WHAT GRATITUDE YOU HAVE SHOWN THE HANDS THAT FED YOU EARLIER.
PS. YOU ARE A PATHETIC EXAMPLE OF A CHRISTIAN AND I WOULD NOT ALLOW MY FAMILY MEMBERS COME ANYWHERE NEAR YOU - YOU ARE NOW DEFILED.
woah, I had read about the generosity of the many who wants to contribute to the cost or whatever; maybe can we have the plaintiffs to give us their phone no. so that we can contact them ? can I suggest that those who are interested can somehow write to CT or how?? and get connected!
Soaring-high-with -Jesus Golden Eagle,
"My chains are gone, I've been set free..............". Freed completely.Freed totally.Only be slave to our Lord.
Please accept my thanks and gratitude, dear 6 brave brothers and a sister in Christ for standing up for Truth, Transparency and Godly Governance, not forgetting the two faithful lady lawyers for working tirelessly for the TTG cause. I salute you. Only Christ can give you the boldness and tenacity to do what you have done without any gain or profit.Praise the Lord for raising up people like you all to help us to see the Light, the Truth and the Way.The cost to you all is great....even to be called evil when you have not taken a cent from CC or from us.
God is great.His mercy, grace and peace are with us all.
May all of us continue to stand for TTG for CC.
I am touched and at the same time so so troubled to know of such constitution in today's so call civilized society! All the intelligent people in calvary church had been fooled and still remain being fooled!
When we said Jesus, the Lord our Saviour is almighty, and when we said the holy-spirit will prompt us when we pray and seek God, why are we all so spiritually blind?
let us all seek the Lord and fervently pray for all leaders of churches to be filled with the fear of god, for in the fear of god, is the beginning of wisdom!
TTG, this is not finale yet. To publicans, the court case result means TTG has defeated. Firstly, AOG escape, 400 sacked, 50 millions approved and now TTG lost the case. Defeat over defeat. I am sure now the pastors would say, "See, God is with PG that vindicate him". And many more will be continue to be deceived.
How long more you will learn that we need to bring greater awareness? From the beginning, many have seen that the court case is short sighted, unable to acomplish solution even if it ended with favour with TTG. I think the defeat of the case is to tell us to get out from the comfort zone and bring greater awareness.
.....There are provisions for members to requisition for an EGM but the requirements are there to make sure we cannot do it....
The 400 Voting Members "removed " can legally requisite an EGM !
It must be " recorded as evidence of ATTEMPTS" to reconvene an EGM !
Just DO IT !
The 400 reclassified members cannot requisition for anything. They no longer have any rights as voting members and/or associate members. What they can do is to file another suit for reinstatement. This was suggested by the Court of Appeal when they rejected the plaintiffs application for an injunction. But what is the use? Most of the 400 have settled down in other churches. They have moved on. Even if you are reinstated what can you do? You are still subject to the same old abusive constitution. You can't change anything. Only God can.
"'Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom,
Let not the mighty man glory in his might,
Nor let the rich man glory in his riches;
But let him who glories glory in this,
That he understands and knows Me,
That I am the Lord, exercising lovingkindness, judgement, and righteousness in the earth.
For in these I delight', says the Lord."
I had a DREAM last month !
I saw the World AOG Pentecostal Convention was held at SIME DARBY Convention Centre ! PGs was no where to be SEEN! Like PGs had disappeared! Very Funny DREAM ?
Last year I DREAM Calvary Church SINK DOWN DEEPLY in a slow motion manner into the bottomless OCEAN ! Also a Funny DREAM ?
Any Gifts of Discernment ?
Glory to God in the Highest, He knows what is going on. I believe in His own time, He will execute judgement on PG and BOD and it will be very painful.
God is definitely in control.....He will vindicate
and if He so desires that TGG to lay their hands off, we should.
Let Him deal with the unrighteous- Psalms 37 tells it - The word of the Lord encourages us to trust Him to vindicate.
TTG has exposed but it is the Lord who will fix the issue so that we should know He is Truly God!!!
May I challenge those who still proclaim to be the ttg to come out and fight your fight, so call the fight! I supposed the 7 who had come this far had enough, it is time for those who still comment in this blog here to file this suit or that suit! go ahead all those who still want to!
On the other hand as I was reading the current article, It appeared that CC is almighty, the AOG which is suppose to be the umbrella body cannot do anything even though there were much violation! therefore what is the difference to attend church that has got covering or not.. AOG got no power whatsoever..so what?
Ultimately, the word of God said, it is still our own choice to sin against God, to reject God of His salvation unto us or to use the name of God in vain! sadness indeed!
b. Fact Finding:
1.1 When the EXCO receives a complaint in writing or suspects that a credential minister has committed misconduct, an investigation may be carried out immediately. This is to establish whether there is a prima facie case against the accused concerned.
1.2 The EXCO shall appoint a member to be the investigating officer. The EXCO may appoint other members to assist the Investigating Officer.
1.3 The investigation could be along these lines:
i.Interview the complainant and record his statements.
ii.Interview others who may be involved in the incident.
iii.Interview the accused and record his explanation. No duress or promise of any benefit should be made.
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CAN WE KNOW AHT THE ABOVE AOG PROVISION IS ALL ABOUT?? ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A CLAUSE WHICH IS NOT WORTH THE INK(NEVER MIND THE PAPER)THAT IS WRITTEN ON?
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"...Misconduct... an investigation shall be carried out immediately..??
I think you are all a bunch of frauds!!
WAIT UPON THE LORD
Do not be swayed or alarmed by current events.
Be still and wait upon the Lord. May His Name be glorified forever and ever.
Remember, this is the part where there are only one set of footprints (instead of two, side by side) on the sandy beach. If we allow the enemy, the Devil, to deceive us, we may be mistaken into thinking God has abandoned us. This is the part, where we are exhausted from our struggles, where we humanly can go no further. Truly, this is the part where Jesus picks us up lovingly, lifting us up with his strong arms, to safety and comfort.
That single track of footprints on the sand is God's, not ours, wading through troubled waters, signifying God's help is always on time and overpowering.
Almighty God chooses his time and place for his miracles to appear. So we must wait upon Him.
God bless.
Spiritual Ploughing (Part 1)
"But Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:62).
I am with my elders in Dallas, Texas who are aware of the Calvary Church saga and the verdict of the court. The Word for those fighting the good course is Luke 9:62. The Lord has commissioned these not to look back but to pursue the righteous course in FAITH.
The Elders were not surprised with the verdict of the court! It was meant to be. It came from the throne of God. Although it may appear, those who fought the Good Fight “lost”, but in the Spiritual world, they have already won! It is those who have desecrated the house of God, i.e. the present leadership, the AOG and spiritually blind members who have lost.
I mention the AOG because the learned judge pointed out that among the remedies available, “the Plaintiffs should have requisitioned for a special EGM to petition for the intervention of the Assemblies of God of Malaysia to resolve the problems in Calvary Church.”
(However, we all know that the provisions in the Constitution are engineered to make this an almost impossible task.)
NEVERMIND. Yes, the court has given its verdict, but God has given His final verdict even before the Calvary Church sage materialized. Nevertheless, before the Lord executes His judgment, He wants us to come to the end of all hope so that when His vengeance is executed, the AOG, the present leaders and the spiritually blind members will know that it is GOD who delivered His people. God is jealous of His glory and will never allow another to rob Him of His glory!
How true the conclusion in the Blog: “The AOG General Council or the NECF cannot interfere or intervene. Now we found out not even the Courts of the land can. We are at the mercy of the Senior Pastor. What if they are no longer serving the Lord but themselves?”
Indeed we are at wit’s end. We no longer have the answer to the Calvary Church saga. BUT GOD DOES!
Vijay, Dallas, Texas
www.normangrubb.com
Spiritual Ploughing (Part 2)
"But Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:62).
During the time of Jesus, ploughing was the most difficult and the heaviest work that anyone might contemplate. For one thing it is at a time of the year (winter) when things are most difficult. Yet, against everything the ploughmen have to force their way. In addition, ploughing is a lonely task and only a few have the emotional capability to do the job.
That is exactly what Calvary Today, TTG and other supporters of the righteous course such as the two lady lawyers (who acted pro bono) have done…….they have ploughed alone through the difficulties.
Have you ever pondered who is behind the events that have now become the Calvary Church saga? We may thing it is satan, the rogue leaders, the BOD, the AOG or even members of the spiritually blind congregation. The truth is - it is not. The initiator is no one else BUT GOD!
God has determined according to the council of His will to use satan, the rogue leaders, the AOG and spiritually blind members as pawns to carry out His plan. For the Lord has purposed to ‘stir up the eagles nest’ and purge the present state of Christianity in Malaysia, including the AOG.
Anyone preaching that all is well with Christianity in Malaysia is not hearing from the Lord. They speak of peace when in reality there is no peace. Those who chose to remain silent with events at Calvary Church and gone about their own business without reaching out to the suffering members will realize that they have been excluded in the future purposes of God. They will not be His instruments of Glory for that He has purposed in Malaysia.
Have you ever wondered why does the farmer plough? The farmer ploughs to produce a harvest. But before he can sow the seeds, he must scourge the land.
Ploughing means the disturbing and breaking up, of settled conditions. When things and people have settled down, they do not like being disturbed, turned over, and broken open. Ploughing is the uncovering of what is hidden, and no one likes that – including those the Lord has commissioned such as the AOG to take care of His affairs.
Our greatest fear is that at this kairos moment, many who have fought the Good Fight are tempted to give up. We could say, 'No, it is too much' and our hearts can so easily be turned back by the consciousness of how much there is to be done. The temptation is ever present because of the vastness of the demand, its hopelessness and beyond us.
But Lord knows everything about our weariness in the way. The Lord Jesus knew something about that. "Jesus... being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well" (John 4:6). Our greater enemy is weariness.
Jesus as the chief of all the ploughmen of God accepted the difficult field and had commissioned His fellow-workers and said, "No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God". The heart must not go back. We must not contemplate giving up.
Vijay, Dallas, Texas
www.normangrubb.com
HOW TO KILL THE GIANT ?
The ancient Israelites must have had a tough time, faced with endless defeats, mocked at by the superior enemy forces, and being taunted at by their champion Golliath the giant, day in, day out. Nobody, absolutely nobody dared to even face this huge monster towering over all in height and scaring them with his superhuman size, in armed combat. Their days and nights were sheer agony, being mentally tortured by the enemy's propaganda machine reminding about their ever increasing helplessness and hopelesslness. They also must have wondered why God did not answer their cries. Their king must have received countless military hardware "solutions" from his learned military advisors, (including perhaps the huge catapult and the battering ram), but none ever thought that an ordinary slingshot with normal stones could be the solution - in the hands of a youngster named David, future king of Israel, annointed by God. David - an ordinary looking lad with yet an extraordinary strong faith, who trusted and obeyed God's instructions on how to bring the downfall of Golliath, and to slay this giant, once and for all.
Golliath was cut down to size. And the giant was vanquished, after being beheaded by David - with his own giant sword.
Now go slay the giant, with God's help. Exercise our collective faith for our D-Day.
ATTACKED BY SATAN - A PROPEHCY ?
We remembered years ago, when he was delivering a Sunday morning sermon, PG1 suddenly said the CC congregation needed to constantly pray for him being the church leader, as Satan would single him ou for spiritual attacks. PG1 also said if he fell, CC would fall too.
Did PG prophesised about danger of his future downfall ? (Or was it a show? A drama ?) Looking retrospectively, the warning is so real now we all know about CC and CCC problematic situations, church leadership issues and the like.
Those members who attended CC in the earlier years may recall and confirm the propehcy and prayer request by PG1 himself.
We believe PG1 should seriously heed his own warning. And change, by stop sinning and by repenting, and to make good all wrongs done. He should do so immediately. God already warned him through the propehecy.
The Question is : Would he ?
Especially now with his "success' in the EGM and the court case ?
.....Especially now with his "success' in the EGM and the court case ?.....
(1) The EGM of 193 Voting members for PGs was not representative of the actual BODY of CHRIST ! Is PGS preaching to himself now ?
(2) The Court decision is simply a DEADLOCK ! It is a WISE DECISION ! It exposes FLAWS in the legal procedures adopted both by TTG the Plantiffs on one side and PGs & die-hard supporters as Respondents on the other side and the necessary future STEPS that need & should be taken! The Judge is actually advocating Arbitration and conciliation even the CC constitution is lopsided ? IT is pointing his LEGAL fingers at the BOD to explore their conscience & option. Failing which the Judge might be very "ANNOYED" ?
Trust me, secular Judges can be used by our LORD GOD to expose and pass JUDGEMENT on both sides !
Come on, let's exercise our Gifts of Discernment and the Gifts of the Spirit to encourage & comfort the Oppressed and at the same time Admonish the LOST and the Oppressors !
The Prophecy for Calvary Church will be revealed in due time according to HIS WILL ! It is unfolding before our eyes ! I AM GLAD I AM OUT OF CC , thanks to TTG !
The Son of Man will come like a Thief in the night ONLY to those unbelievers and the Lost and the Unrepentant ! Those who are in CHRIST JESUS will never be caught unaware and off guard on HIS SECOND COMING !
Be of good cheer, for we are worshiping our LIVING GOD who is STEADFAST and EVERLASTING and HIS Love will Endure forever ! AMEN !
SP should step down and move on.Just hearing him keep on talking irks me these days!! David Koresh kept on preaching even when the police were already at the doorsteps. These preachers will never move away- we need a strong discerning body of believers to resist these backslidden devils.SP- please get off the stage- dont hog the limelight with your stale sermons- most of which is self defence preaching. IF you fall CC falls with you? Strange- that's what Hosni Mubarak, Saddam Hussien and Gaddaffi said. Even Samy Velu said that.Just to let you know brother--you can be easily replaced- that goes for anyone.Your glory days are over.You dont live for God anymore-your only wish is to put up that grand building and maybe leave it as a legacy for you descendants.You are a Saul in our midst- and a blot to the greater body of believers.
So TGG where do we go from here? Although I miss CC - I will not hear their preaching anymore.Bye & take Care!!
Whre did SP get the power to axe 400 members? 400 is a big number.It appears that he is a very powerful person that even the Courts hands are tied.TGG might as well disband and move on.Theres nothing much we can do now.The Constitution is so cleverly crafted in his favour. A friend told me that we just cant fight against the system- especially the AOG system with its many tiered titles.
My Wife: Saya sedih betul lah sayang-saya masih rindu lagu2 ibadat CC tapi syaitan2 sana tak nak bertobat!!
So many people talking abt the prophecy for Calvary Church. what is that prophecy actually? can someone let me know?
What prophecy is that for Calvary Church?
thanks.
In my opinion, CC is a sinking ship and has lost all credibility. SP and all his AP should not be standing up to preach for the time being-it just is so disgraceful.
To Anonymous ( June 2, 2011 5:11 pm).
Please when you write, write all in English, for I don't even understand what your wife is saying in Bahasa Melayu. Sorry, as I am very poor in Bahasa.
Where did SP gets his power to axe 400 members? Simple,from "the father of lies", satan. As for as AOG is concerned they are just merely institution or organisation with some spiritual coating to hide their men made system crafted to serve for their own interest only.
Hello, I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS, SP WILL NEVER STEP DOWN. So, is just US HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE OTEHR CHURCH.
HE IS LIKE
"HEAD HE WIN"
"TAIL YOU LOSE"
SO, AGAIN I SAY THIS, MOVE ON TO ANOTHER CHURCH. TO MY FELLOW PLAINTIFFS' NO POINT TO EXHAUST ALL THE WAYS AGAIN.
CAN WE JUST PUT UP A PUBLICATION ON THE CHURCH ACTION? This we can CHECK WITH THE lawyer. Any Defamation? Or Maybe we put up the FACTS, EXAMPLE, the fund was transferred to CIM in the year..... and later only transferred back. LET THE PUBLIC KNOW. SAVE ALL THE HASSLE OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE COURT PROCEEDINGS ANYMORE.
Fr CT @ June 3, 2011 4:07 PM
THE MAN WHO CAN DO NO WRONG
We most appreciate that the blogger Anonymous May 30, 2011 1.45pm or anyone else helpful please scan and download the contents of this book reported given by PG1. Very ironical that years ago, PG1 made it available to the congregation to warn us about such happening that occur now in our CC. Praise God! It would mean vey much to us who do not have access to it, to be able to read its meaningful message within. Thank you.
To Anonymous ( June 2, 2011 5:11 pm).
Please when you write, write all in English, for I don't even understand what your wife is saying in Bahasa Melayu. Sorry, as I am very poor in Bahasa.
THE TRANSLATION
I stil miss the songs of CC but demons are ruling the church right now and they will not repent."
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I hope the above helps. Can anyone out there tell us if SP will ever resign?My wife is nagging me now and then to phone SP on his hand phone and warn him not to build the spaceship.If fact she thinks he is being "bodoh"- meaning stupid.
ORANG KAMPUNG- VILLAGE FOLKS.
I dont see why anyone should leave CC. This is our church. Stay but dont contribute $$. SP sermon-" You dont eat in one restaurent and pay in another" does not hold water. There is no such thing as a signboard in any reataurent that says "Eat at your own risk!! Right now the manna in CC has gone stale.So I dont want to pay for it!! SP- get off the stage. You are overstaying your welcome.You should not have sacked Dr. Lum and the 400.There is a price to pay for arrogance.
That's right- I too would not be paying for bad food!!! I get my spiritual nourishment from another church and only give to missions for the time being!!
BOOK OF DANIEL
IS THIS NOT THE GREAT BABYLON I HAVE BUILT FOR MY POWER AND MY GLORY?
KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR
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AT LEAST THE ABOVE GUY WAS HONEST ABOUT HIS MOTIVES AND SHOUTED IT OUT.SP HAS THE SAME MOTIVE- BUT HE IS QUIET AND THINKS THE WHOLE CONGREGATION IS STUPID. I DON'T BELIEVE HE IS ATTEMPTING TO BUILD CCC FOR GOD'S GLORY AT ALL.IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HIS POWERFUL EGO.WE FEEL SO RELAXED IN ANOTHER CHURCH RIGHT NOW- NO FINANCIAL DEMANDS- JUST THE PLAIN OLD GOSPEL.
Yet God does all of these things for us only in his time, according to his
divine schedule.He has no deadlines pushing him.
David Wilkerson
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SP now had a deadline-and its all related to $$$$. Gone are the days when we could just stand up and worship God without any pressure.
Nowadays even before the worship begins- $$$$$ has been pledged.....$$$$ has been collected...please fulfill your pledges.......you can pledge $$$ that you have access too...give a soft loan to CCC...which can be converted into contribution later on if you want......
HOW ON EARTH DID WE EVER SINK TO THIS LEVEL??? IT'S INDEED A SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS!!!
To all my fellow Calvarites- please do not just leave and wash your hands off Calvary just like that.We are in this together.This is not just a single battle. Its a conflict that affects all of AOG brethren in SEA.
Many things only came to light after the emergence of TGG.Even people from other churches began voicing out their frustration in their own church settings.
I think God is not the author of it- but He allowed it.Today almost every pastor wants to put up a big church. What is carefully concealed is the fact almost all churches ARE IN FINANCIAL DEBT.But never mind "Lets believe God for this multi- million dollar building!!!"is the usual response What if God is not in it?
We must pray that God will raise up more Pastors who will build His Kingdom regardless of filthy lucre.
My church is certainly in debt.My previous pastor was not happy with the small building God gave us-so he preached some crap about " enlarging your tents" from Isaiah.When the church was in debt-he conveniently walked. Well.. at least he was honest - he found no fulfillment in the church so he went back into the secular world.He was divorced within a year and was running around with another lady.I mention this not to humiliate anyone.
There must be collective responsibility within the church.In one sense the congregation is partly to blame for the church's affairs.Any believer can stray and fall.....AND THAT INCLUDES PASTORS, REV'S, DR. REVERENDS & DATUK TAN SRI'S.
Let the CC episode be a lesson for everyone.
Saddened.
MY TEH TARIK PASTOR
I have a secular job and work just a few blocks away from the church where I attend.I do a lot of field work- so I have to drive in and out from office at odd hours.
What I see is this- at 9.00 a.m.I see the Pastor at the Teh Tarik stall just opposite the church.Sometimes with his Assistant pastor.One should definitely not make an issue out of it. But at 10.00am he is still there.If I come around 11 or 12 he is still there.He goes to ofice for maybe 20 minutes or so and will be down shortly.He is forever there.
At 3pm he is still there- each time with different people-visiting(?)pastors but mostly the youth. It's obvious to us that this man is lost and does not know what to do with his life and time.Maybe he wants to be young again.A midlife crisis' perhaps.
Lately I feel somewhat troubled by this man.Isn't there something he can do in the office-like work?I have never seen him volunteer for prison ministry,hospital visitation or anything of that sort.All I hear are his personal quarrels and grievances with other AOG ministers- which seems quite a few.
I confided my concerns to the cell leader-and he feels the same way too.Looks like I am not alone.I have nothing personal against this man- but several in the church have begun to doubt his "calling"
Last weeks sermon on Isaiah was unbelievably monotous & boring.His usual "Amen??" "Amen??" hardly drew only feeble responses from the youth.
His closing words " What should we do with this prophet called Isaiah-Just what shall we do??- he shouted.
My College daughter told me- He can ask Isaiah to sit in my place- I am going home!!! an promptly left.
God Help Our Church.
Yang Amat Berberhormat Tan Sri Datuk Rev. Prince Guneratnam- Kami nasihatkan kamu letak jawatan saja lah.Sesiapa yang membatukan hati mereka daripada suara Tuhan akan menerima azap yang pedih.Sebagai contohnya dalam Al- Kitab adalah Raja Saul.Kamu makan duit gereja sudah cukup-lah,mengapa pergi Mahkamah lagi? Berani kamu pecat 400 orang Tuhan dari gereja Yesus??Berundur saja supaya orang muda jangan ikut langkah kaki mu. Kami diSabah sini sentiasa berdoa untuk gereja CC. Jangan lupa- yah- semua gereja adalah kepunyaan Yesus- tidak patut dianggap sebagai harta pendeta sendiri, Salam Sejahtera dari kami di sini.Jangan ikut hasutan syaitan!!
TGG-what is the next step for all of us now that that Court case is well over? Should we stay or just move on? Its nostalgia for many of us.The Court case will be a foul stench in CC's history for a very long time.Any idea when SP and Ap's wil resign. WILL SP EVER RESIGN??
Sigh
COMMENT ON:-
Any idea when SP and Ap's wil resign. WILL SP EVER RESIGN??
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Resign??He will resign when the river starts flowing upstream OR THE KLANG RIVER TURNS PURPLE!!The fact is, he has been checkmated-somewhat like the US military presence in Irag.If the US leaves- AL- Qaeda will swarm in and execute the Govt. accusing them of US puppets. If they stay on- they become victims of suicide bombers.( Only last week another bomb went off with several US army men dead)
If SP steps down-he gets laughed at for starting something he could not finish- especially as he claims that CCC is a vision of God.If he stays on....left to be seen.( you can fill in the gaps).
I doubt if he can sleep peacefully these days.What a mess he has created for himself.They just never learn.Dr.Mahathir left when the crown was still on his head. On the contrary Lee Kuan Yew had to stand down after the recent elections-the political landscape had changed.The old way of doing things did not work with the present generation.
Delilah: Samson- the Philistines are coming upon you!!!
Samson: I will go and shake myself free- AS I HAVE ALWAYS DONE BEFORE...BUT HE KNEW NOT THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD HAD LEFT HIM.
HE DID NOT KNOW AND NEITHER DOES CC LEADERSHIP KNOW.ITS ALL A RELIGIOUS COVER UP GAME FOR THEM RIGHT NOW.END COMING SOON FOR THOSE MESS WITH GOD'S THINGS.
To the person who wrote:
Any believer can stray and fall.....AND THAT INCLUDES PASTORS,REV'S, DR.REVERENDS & DATUK TAN SRI'S.
Let the CC episode be a lesson for everyone.
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This is so very true.Leaders can never be transparent because congregations don't expect such struggles from them.Godly Pastors are indeed few.Even the pulpit is lifted higher-like we are literally looking up at them!!And finally the scandal is exposed- but I am rarely shocked these days.I have just seen too much.My Pastors favourite theme is "submission to leadership".I usually avoid having teh tarik at his table because he is control of everything-but I did join once.He asked me then "Whom are you submitted to??" He was upset when I laughed loudly!! I asked him too - And who are you you submitted to?? To that his face turned angry when I questioned him.I tell you all those who demand submission are in fact insecure people and they only feel powerful because they can control the pulpit.Although I am a believer I am always careful about any preacher trying to bring me under their control.They can try their control stunt on someone else.In fact I think its dangerous to be submitted to these people. SP has proven that so clearly.What about the 400 people he axed.No submission and you are literally kicked out.You can go and sue me in Court if you want!!!
Last Sundays Sermons
"...when God wants to speak to His people he does not use blogs but the Bible..some blogs just run down the church....these are satans instruments....."
That's rather strange for a man who some time ago admitted that he gets much material from Christian blogs!!!Hypocrisy is very alive and is ever present with these preachers.
I still attend CC but there is something weird in the atmosphere-why are the Pastors whispering to each other in conversations? Cant they converse plainly?
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Person who wrote on submission to Pastors
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I totally agree with you that it is indeed dangerous to submit completely to Pastors. I even believe that even wives should not submit completely to their husbands-if they start being abusive then the believing spouse should assert her right to be treated with some respect.
My Pastor is in his late 40's now. He grew in church, and went to Bible School when still a young lad. Needless to say he has lost all contact with secular life.When a church elder asked him about income tax and the "J" Form- he was asking what is a J Form!!
But dont let his vocation deceive you.He has been using church money (which came from day school )to fund a certain young lady for her studies.He should have been transparent in financial dealing instead of operating in the dark. Although I suspect he has a hunch for her..although he tries to hide it..,I think his wife is quite aware of it.. but he has never admitted it( Call it a ladies hunch)
The issue of Pastors manipulating church finances is not restricted to CC.When the issue of Tsunami $$ was raised and why it was not sent. SK gave a fantastic answer-' THEY DONT NEED IT ANYMORE!!!
It did not occur in his brains that it was besides the point-the $$$ did not belong to Calvary.But did CC return it until today?? Never mnind how CC explains it- just look at their records-I think many of the AOG Pastors have manipulative giftings!!!!
Plainly Speaking,
1)The Overrun from RM50Million to RM300Million on
CCC, is an outright NO ACCOUNTABILITY on the
part of pG & BOD, and
2)the RESPONSIBILITY also rest with those members
who VOTED for all those increases time & time
again-- more loans, more borrowings, more
mortgages--without a thought to the
consequences of their actions, and what the Word
has to say about such methods they deployed.
Q, All of those culprits mentioned above, do they
actually put the money where their mouth is?
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